^^^^^What is "greatest or best of all time?" As a fighter do you mean nobody will ever be able to beat him if both are in their prime and as a ball player do you mean the one with the most championship?

 

[QUOTE=gosixers215,Jun 20 2008, 01:05 PM] I agree with your posts on Tiger to a degree, but I've watched a lot of Ali fights on ESPN Classic and such (since I wasn't alive for most of his career), and I disagree that he would get waxed by Tyson or Holyfield (Tyson especially).

 

If you look at scoring average, Tiger has the lowest scoring average EVER at 68.17 non-adjusted or 67.79 adjusted (he has the top four spots for non-adjusted average and top three for adjusted average). As such, one could say that regardless of the competition, he has consistently played in a manner which none could beat. The courses were longer but players can also hit further with new technology, so I consider that a wash in terms of course challenge levels.

Jack Nicklaus never played a season where he was eligible for the Vardon Trophy because he typically NEVER PLAYED ENOUGH ROUNDS TO QUALIFY! So much for "playing anything and everything" as opposed to picking courses that suited him...

Scoring average is a quantifiable measure that can be compared regardless of when the person played. It's just about the only way to compare players from different eras to each other.

To see how much better they were than their peers at the time, scoring average differential (how much lower their score was compared to everyone else) is perhaps a better measure.

 

lol
I highlighted this only to ask you where the hell did I say "playing anything and everything"? I think I made it quite clear all players play the courses best suited to their game, including Jack.

I actually agree with you that "scoring average is a quantifiable measure that can be compared regardless of when the person played. It's just about the only way to compare players from different eras to each other" IF THEY WERE PLAYING WITH THE SAME EQUIPMENT ON THE SAME LENGTH COURSES.

"Jonboy, have you ever tried to hit a golf ball with a driver from the 50's or 60's? The club face is about half of what they play today and the irons....why do you think NO one plays a one iron today? And have you seen the one iron shot Nicklaus made at Pebble Beach? And the balls....and the greens....lol Have you never wondered why the putters then used the stabbing shot they did on the greens? They were putting on grass as long as todays fairways!" Plus at one time you could stymie a player on the green by putting in front of his ball! You didn't pick them up and mark them like today. So you had to chip over your opponents ball to get it in the hole. Now this wasn't in Nicklaus day but it was in Nelson's and Sneads...and Jones..."

And by the way...If I remember correctly, during Nelson's streak of 11 straight and for that year and the year previously, he had by far the lowest average ever recorded by the PGA. And then he retired at I believe age 30 becasue he wanted to ranch. So we will never know what his career numbers could have been...but we do know that 20 years later he played an exhibition match agains that years US Open champ and beat him by 5 or 6 shots!

 

EXHIBITION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND NO BUT!!!!

 

For cash!

And you want me to believe that a reigning US Open champ wouldn't want to win? Especially when paired up with a 50 year old legend of the game! Like he didn't have anything to prove and everything to lose...that would be like saying that if Tiger and Jack had a match right now, Tiger wouldn't want to thrash him as badly as possible. What, do you think only todays players have a competitive fire!

come on.....put some more thought into your posts. Don't just always look for the negative spin...

 

Unfortunate? Before 99% of players step into the grass, Tiger's had already beat them mentally.

 

You can spin it anyway you want!

 

finally! Exactly the point I have been trying to make about his weak ass competition from my first post here forward!

Thank you, thank you , thank you....

And don't try to tell me it is because he is so good. It is because they are so weak minded. There have been plenty of champs who have dominated but never have you heard 'we play for second' until now.

 

[QUOTE=benny,Jun 21 2008, 08:06 AM]lol
I highlighted this only to ask you where the hell did I say