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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by vtec9,Aug 11 2008, 08:55 AM
I suggest everyone do a little reading on the history of the Russia-Georgia conflict over South Ossetia before casting one as the villian and clamining this is a sign of a resurging USSR..
Perhaps, but that suggests the Russian response is not heavy handed and quite extreme. I would beg to differ.
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by RBS2K,Aug 11 2008, 09:10 AM
keep in mind the only flaw to Hitler taking over the world, was that he tried to invade Russia.
That wasnt the only flaw, but it certainly was one of them. American/allied forces steadily beat the piss out of German strongholds all along the western front (it took some time). The German war machine was just spread out too wide for too long (N. Africa, etc). The Roman empire made this same folly and so did Alexander (Greeks). As to Hitler taking over the world, this would have been geographically impossible. As an example, the technology at the time didn't even give Germany striking distance to the U.S. mainland.
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by vader1,Aug 11 2008, 11:00 AM
Perhaps, but that suggests the Russian response is not heavy handed and quite extreme. I would beg to differ.
all depends on your point of view.

http://english.pravda.ru/russia/politics/0...russiasaviour-0
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 10:21 AM
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I was in Georgia for a couple of days in May of this year. Nice country.

Best article I have read over the past few days;

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/...pe/10traub.php

Well said vtec9,

This is an extremely complex situation in a complex region.
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 10:23 AM
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the whole thing reaks of bad things to come. I don't see this going very well at all.

EDIT: "War doesn't prove who is right, just who is left" -Unknown- I wonder who will be left of the 2???
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 11:16 AM
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IBTM!
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 11:23 AM
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Ron Paul before the US House of Representatives, April 1, 2008: Statement on H Res 997 Expressing the strong support of the House of Representatives for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to enter into a Membership Action Plan with Georgia and Ukraine

Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to this resolution calling for the further expansion of NATO to the borders of Russia. NATO is an organization whose purpose ended with the end of its Warsaw Pact adversary. When NATO struggled to define its future after the Cold War, it settled on attacking a sovereign state, Yugoslavia, which had neither invaded nor threatened any NATO member state.

This current round of NATO expansion is a political reward to governments in Georgia and Ukraine that came to power as a result of US-supported revolutions, the so-called Orange Revolution and Rose Revolution. The governments that arose from these street protests were eager to please their US sponsor and the US, in turn, turned a blind eye to the numerous political and human rights abuses that took place under the new regimes. Thus the US policy of “exporting democracy” has only succeeding in exporting more misery to the countries it has targeted.

NATO expansion only benefits the US military industrial complex, which stands to profit from expanded arms sales to new NATO members. The “modernization” of former Soviet militaries in Ukraine and Georgia will mean tens of millions in sales to US and European military contractors. The US taxpayer will be left holding the bill, as the US government will subsidize most of the transactions. Providing US military guarantees to Ukraine and Georgia can only further strain our military. This NATO expansion may well involve the US military in conflicts as unrelated to our national interest as the breakaway regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia in Georgia. The idea that American troops might be forced to fight and die to prevent a small section of Georgia from seceding is absurd and disturbing.

Mr. Speaker, NATO should be disbanded, not expanded.
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 02:08 PM
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Why Ron Paul is not the lead candidate for president is a mystery to me.
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by VAD,Aug 11 2008, 05:08 PM
Why Ron Paul is not the lead candidate for president is a mystery to me.
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Old Aug 11, 2008 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by VAD,Aug 11 2008, 05:08 PM
Why Ron Paul is not the lead candidate for president is a mystery to me.
Umm, because he is a drag queen?
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