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Old Sep 13, 2002 | 08:28 AM
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All claims to truly "know" what people "feel" or "think" are unfounded, it's the concept of "privy knowledge". One can never really know, only make an educated guess...and be right, wrong or somewhere in between. Again, all life is context.

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Old Sep 13, 2002 | 10:09 AM
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This is precisely why I included the qualifier "most likely" in my post. Would you deliberately try to smash the thumb of a loved one with a hammer, and take recourse in the claim that you can never truly know that he or she wouldn't enjoy the experience? You can (arguably, "should") approach the use of language (a "tool" according to you) in the same way you'd use any other tool: know how to use it properly, exercise appropriate caution, and be careful when others are present.
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Old Sep 13, 2002 | 11:22 AM
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I understand what you are saying, and you are very good at getting your point across, but Philosophy is my game, so I see it more deeply. Your analogy went nowhere and is out of context so I'll leave it. The words "should", "properly", and "careful" are all subjective...not objective. All life is context.

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Old Sep 13, 2002 | 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by magician


Unless you know what the most likely feeling of the person who hears it is, you know that it will offend or upset them, and you claim ignorance, maintaining that it means something much different.

Then you're a liar, and that's wrong.
And what of the listener who knows what your most likely meaning is and yet proceeds to misinterpret and become offended anyway? Is there not a responsibility on his end for creating conflict where there need be none?

What it all comes down to is communication is a two way street. I will gladly risk an accidental misinterpretation in the name of striving for honest communication. And if someone takes offense at my honesty, then I will deal with the consequences of my lack of sensitivity, as I suppose you could put it, if and when those consequences arise. To act otherwise is to live from a place of fear... and I haven't had much success in life being ruled by my fear.

Related question: Is it possible to live life without ever offending anyone?
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Old Sep 13, 2002 | 12:40 PM
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okay....let's talk about what is it with kidnapping and terrorist attacks
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Old Sep 13, 2002 | 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by StrangeDaze
And what of the listener who knows what your most likely meaning is and yet proceeds to misinterpret and become offended anyway? Is there not a responsibility on his end for creating conflict where there need be none?
Absolutely. Some people go out of their way to be offended. Ignore them.
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Old Sep 13, 2002 | 12:51 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by S2Kguy
[B]I understand what you are saying, and you are very good at getting your point across, but Philosophy is my game, so I see it more deeply.
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Old Sep 13, 2002 | 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by S2Kguy
. . .you are very good at getting your point across. . . .
I almost forgot: thanks for the complement.

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Old Sep 13, 2002 | 04:59 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by magician
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I followed you right up to the ". . .so I see it more deeply" part.
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Old Sep 13, 2002 | 05:44 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by S2Kguy
[B]I would NEVER condescend to you, in fact, it's all but impossible.
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