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Originally Posted by xviper' date='Feb 7 2005, 04:58 PM
All I'm saying, is that it takes more energy (force or HP, if you like) to spin a bigger wheel fast.
Force = mass x acceleration: it's a change in momentum.
Energy = force x distance, or mass x speed^2; it is the same as work.
Power = energy / time, the rate at which one form of energy is converted to another.
Force is measured in pounds or newtons.
Energy is measured in joules or ergs or ft.-lbs.
Power is measured in watts or horsepower.
I think there is another factor at play here.
Yes, the lighter, larger diameter wheels may spin up more quickly that the heavier, smaller diameter wheels.
However the car is not in the air.
What about the change in gearing?
Think about a car with a gear change and no change in wheels/tires. The lower geared car is going to be faster in acceleration. Road Racing cars are often "slow" in the quarter mile despite their HP. Why?
Well if the gearing is taller, the acceleration will be decreased.
A larger diameter wheel is effectively changing the gearing. That is why the car is slower. My Miata had the same thing happen when the 15" wheels were on vs. the 14" stocks. 1" increase in diameter noticeably affected acceleration....not that there was much to begin with.
Reijo
Yes, the lighter, larger diameter wheels may spin up more quickly that the heavier, smaller diameter wheels.
However the car is not in the air.
What about the change in gearing?
Think about a car with a gear change and no change in wheels/tires. The lower geared car is going to be faster in acceleration. Road Racing cars are often "slow" in the quarter mile despite their HP. Why?
Well if the gearing is taller, the acceleration will be decreased.
A larger diameter wheel is effectively changing the gearing. That is why the car is slower. My Miata had the same thing happen when the 15" wheels were on vs. the 14" stocks. 1" increase in diameter noticeably affected acceleration....not that there was much to begin with.
Reijo
Really good dicussion on wheel weights and Magician has the math down pat
Here's a couple of links to help with determining offsets and Tire/Rim diameter..
Wheel Offset Calculator
Tire Size Calculator
Hope they help....
Here's a couple of links to help with determining offsets and Tire/Rim diameter..
Wheel Offset Calculator
Tire Size Calculator
Hope they help....
great thread. i agree that the lightest wheel tire is desirable. you can spin things up very quickly as dave mentioned but also there is the inertia effect of trying to stop something that is heavy and spinning. one you will be on the gas alot the other will help you out in sustaining your momentum. in the end here is it durabilityvs cost vs bling based on perceived value?
Originally Posted by Woodson' date='Feb 7 2005, 08:38 PM
^^But you're not changing the overall diameter if you go with lower profile tires. (Which everyone does)
Originally Posted by Reijo' date='Feb 7 2005, 07:27 PM
What about the change in gearing?
Think about a car with a gear change and no change in wheels/tires. The lower geared car is going to be faster in acceleration. Road Racing cars are often "slow" in the quarter mile despite their HP. Why?
Well if the gearing is taller, the acceleration will be decreased.
Think about a car with a gear change and no change in wheels/tires. The lower geared car is going to be faster in acceleration. Road Racing cars are often "slow" in the quarter mile despite their HP. Why?
Well if the gearing is taller, the acceleration will be decreased.
You'll note that in my previous post I specified torque at the wheels. If you change the gear ratio, you change that torque, and thus change the calculations.



