Slammed, and functional?
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Slammed, and functional?
Ok, so can someone enlighten me about something, whi does lowering your car, and adding some neg camber make the car handle like s***? from what ive been told, some neg camber is a good thing, and so can lowering your car. if your pulling fenders/adding wide fenders, wheres the handling being compromised? 
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The hellaflush people take everything to such a extreme that it ruins the car. About -1 to -3(sometimes even up to -4)deggrees of camber is functional, hellaflush cars have waay more than that. Lowering it a decent amount can help with center of gravity, but having the car a centimeter off the ground makes it useless unless the road is perfectly smooth. And I hear a bit of tire strech is a good thing, but not putting a 205 tire on a 10" rim.
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Slamming it makes it handle like crap because it practically eliminates suspension travel, and severly changes the suspension geometry. This car was designed to be the height that it came from the factory, a little drop may help, around 1", but 3" completely changes the way the suspension functions. If they were to redesign the upper and lower a arms, then they could potentially utilize that drop and have it not hinder performance.
Using cheap coilovers, regardless of ride height, also hinders handling. Sorry, but godspeed, d2, stance, ect are not quality. That is equivalent to taking all season touring tires to the drag strip. Technically they are tires, but not designed to be used in that way. Using quality coilovers, and dropping them lower than their efficiency range, essentially turns them to overpriced crap.
And about the tire situation- yes, a little stretch does help prevent sidewall flex and helps maximize tread patch. Putting a 245 on a 9" wheel is a good example of this. Stretching a 225 on a 10" wheel is not. It puts stress on the sidewall in ways it was not designed to, and decreases contact efficiency. Tires are designed to fit on specific size rims based on tread width. A 5'6" man weighing 400 lbs wouldn't go outside trying to fit in a 28" waist pair of pants- why would you expect your car to do something similar.
Using cheap coilovers, regardless of ride height, also hinders handling. Sorry, but godspeed, d2, stance, ect are not quality. That is equivalent to taking all season touring tires to the drag strip. Technically they are tires, but not designed to be used in that way. Using quality coilovers, and dropping them lower than their efficiency range, essentially turns them to overpriced crap.
And about the tire situation- yes, a little stretch does help prevent sidewall flex and helps maximize tread patch. Putting a 245 on a 9" wheel is a good example of this. Stretching a 225 on a 10" wheel is not. It puts stress on the sidewall in ways it was not designed to, and decreases contact efficiency. Tires are designed to fit on specific size rims based on tread width. A 5'6" man weighing 400 lbs wouldn't go outside trying to fit in a 28" waist pair of pants- why would you expect your car to do something similar.
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Slamming it makes it handle like crap because it practically eliminates suspension travel, and severly changes the suspension geometry. This car was designed to be the height that it came from the factory, a little drop may help, around 1", but 3" completely changes the way the suspension functions. If they were to redesign the upper and lower a arms, then they could potentially utilize that drop and have it not hinder performance.
Using cheap coilovers, regardless of ride height, also hinders handling. Sorry, but godspeed, d2, stance, ect are not quality. That is equivalent to taking all season touring tires to the drag strip. Technically they are tires, but not designed to be used in that way. Using quality coilovers, and dropping them lower than their efficiency range, essentially turns them to overpriced crap.
And about the tire situation- yes, a little stretch does help prevent sidewall flex and helps maximize tread patch. Putting a 245 on a 9" wheel is a good example of this. Stretching a 225 on a 10" wheel is not. It puts stress on the sidewall in ways it was not designed to, and decreases contact efficiency. Tires are designed to fit on specific size rims based on tread width. A 5'6" man weighing 400 lbs wouldn't go outside trying to fit in a 28" waist pair of pants- why would you expect your car to do something similar.
Using cheap coilovers, regardless of ride height, also hinders handling. Sorry, but godspeed, d2, stance, ect are not quality. That is equivalent to taking all season touring tires to the drag strip. Technically they are tires, but not designed to be used in that way. Using quality coilovers, and dropping them lower than their efficiency range, essentially turns them to overpriced crap.
And about the tire situation- yes, a little stretch does help prevent sidewall flex and helps maximize tread patch. Putting a 245 on a 9" wheel is a good example of this. Stretching a 225 on a 10" wheel is not. It puts stress on the sidewall in ways it was not designed to, and decreases contact efficiency. Tires are designed to fit on specific size rims based on tread width. A 5'6" man weighing 400 lbs wouldn't go outside trying to fit in a 28" waist pair of pants- why would you expect your car to do something similar.
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Slamming it makes it handle like crap because it practically eliminates suspension travel, and severly changes the suspension geometry. This car was designed to be the height that it came from the factory, a little drop may help, around 1", but 3" completely changes the way the suspension functions. If they were to redesign the upper and lower a arms, then they could potentially utilize that drop and have it not hinder performance.
Using cheap coilovers, regardless of ride height, also hinders handling. Sorry, but godspeed, d2, stance, ect are not quality. That is equivalent to taking all season touring tires to the drag strip. Technically they are tires, but not designed to be used in that way. Using quality coilovers, and dropping them lower than their efficiency range, essentially turns them to overpriced crap.
And about the tire situation- yes, a little stretch does help prevent sidewall flex and helps maximize tread patch. Putting a 245 on a 9" wheel is a good example of this. Stretching a 225 on a 10" wheel is not. It puts stress on the sidewall in ways it was not designed to, and decreases contact efficiency. Tires are designed to fit on specific size rims based on tread width. A 5'6" man weighing 400 lbs wouldn't go outside trying to fit in a 28" waist pair of pants- why would you expect your car to do something similar.
Using cheap coilovers, regardless of ride height, also hinders handling. Sorry, but godspeed, d2, stance, ect are not quality. That is equivalent to taking all season touring tires to the drag strip. Technically they are tires, but not designed to be used in that way. Using quality coilovers, and dropping them lower than their efficiency range, essentially turns them to overpriced crap.
And about the tire situation- yes, a little stretch does help prevent sidewall flex and helps maximize tread patch. Putting a 245 on a 9" wheel is a good example of this. Stretching a 225 on a 10" wheel is not. It puts stress on the sidewall in ways it was not designed to, and decreases contact efficiency. Tires are designed to fit on specific size rims based on tread width. A 5'6" man weighing 400 lbs wouldn't go outside trying to fit in a 28" waist pair of pants- why would you expect your car to do something similar.
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Slamming it makes it handle like crap because it practically eliminates suspension travel, and severly changes the suspension geometry. This car was designed to be the height that it came from the factory, a little drop may help, around 1", but 3" completely changes the way the suspension functions. If they were to redesign the upper and lower a arms, then they could potentially utilize that drop and have it not hinder performance.
Using cheap coilovers, regardless of ride height, also hinders handling. Sorry, but godspeed, d2, stance, ect are not quality. That is equivalent to taking all season touring tires to the drag strip. Technically they are tires, but not designed to be used in that way. Using quality coilovers, and dropping them lower than their efficiency range, essentially turns them to overpriced crap.
And about the tire situation- yes, a little stretch does help prevent sidewall flex and helps maximize tread patch. Putting a 245 on a 9" wheel is a good example of this. Stretching a 225 on a 10" wheel is not. It puts stress on the sidewall in ways it was not designed to, and decreases contact efficiency. Tires are designed to fit on specific size rims based on tread width. A 5'6" man weighing 400 lbs wouldn't go outside trying to fit in a 28" waist pair of pants- why would you expect your car to do something similar.
Using cheap coilovers, regardless of ride height, also hinders handling. Sorry, but godspeed, d2, stance, ect are not quality. That is equivalent to taking all season touring tires to the drag strip. Technically they are tires, but not designed to be used in that way. Using quality coilovers, and dropping them lower than their efficiency range, essentially turns them to overpriced crap.
And about the tire situation- yes, a little stretch does help prevent sidewall flex and helps maximize tread patch. Putting a 245 on a 9" wheel is a good example of this. Stretching a 225 on a 10" wheel is not. It puts stress on the sidewall in ways it was not designed to, and decreases contact efficiency. Tires are designed to fit on specific size rims based on tread width. A 5'6" man weighing 400 lbs wouldn't go outside trying to fit in a 28" waist pair of pants- why would you expect your car to do something similar.
what would be quality coilovers? I'm thinking of buying them but not sure which ones are great for an s2000
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Originally Posted by dc2-2-ap1' timestamp='1352267803' post='22134690
Slamming it makes it handle like crap because it practically eliminates suspension travel, and severly changes the suspension geometry. This car was designed to be the height that it came from the factory, a little drop may help, around 1", but 3" completely changes the way the suspension functions. If they were to redesign the upper and lower a arms, then they could potentially utilize that drop and have it not hinder performance.
Using cheap coilovers, regardless of ride height, also hinders handling. Sorry, but godspeed, d2, stance, ect are not quality. That is equivalent to taking all season touring tires to the drag strip. Technically they are tires, but not designed to be used in that way. Using quality coilovers, and dropping them lower than their efficiency range, essentially turns them to overpriced crap.
And about the tire situation- yes, a little stretch does help prevent sidewall flex and helps maximize tread patch. Putting a 245 on a 9" wheel is a good example of this. Stretching a 225 on a 10" wheel is not. It puts stress on the sidewall in ways it was not designed to, and decreases contact efficiency. Tires are designed to fit on specific size rims based on tread width. A 5'6" man weighing 400 lbs wouldn't go outside trying to fit in a 28" waist pair of pants- why would you expect your car to do something similar.
Using cheap coilovers, regardless of ride height, also hinders handling. Sorry, but godspeed, d2, stance, ect are not quality. That is equivalent to taking all season touring tires to the drag strip. Technically they are tires, but not designed to be used in that way. Using quality coilovers, and dropping them lower than their efficiency range, essentially turns them to overpriced crap.
And about the tire situation- yes, a little stretch does help prevent sidewall flex and helps maximize tread patch. Putting a 245 on a 9" wheel is a good example of this. Stretching a 225 on a 10" wheel is not. It puts stress on the sidewall in ways it was not designed to, and decreases contact efficiency. Tires are designed to fit on specific size rims based on tread width. A 5'6" man weighing 400 lbs wouldn't go outside trying to fit in a 28" waist pair of pants- why would you expect your car to do something similar.
what would be quality coilovers? I'm thinking of buying them but not sure which ones are great for an s2000
KW V3 seems to be the most popular choice if you want a good street/track setup. For more street oriented, check out Bilstein.
