Do rear speakers really help?
My experience with the rear speakers were after the initial install of the front system. I feel that the rear speakers added a sense of more 3D to the stereo image. I don't believe that there is any bass response added especially due to the nature of the mounting.
Definately adds to the overall quality of the image.
Definately adds to the overall quality of the image.
Stock head unit, polk audio separates in front, MTX 325 watt amp. Good. Then added Alpine 3873 head unit, 3.5" Infinity Reference speakers in the rear and an MTX 10 Thunder 6000 sub, Alpine 245 watt amp for rear speakers and sub.
Unbelievable.
Anyone around Orange County who wants to hear the system, send me a PM.
Unbelievable.
Anyone around Orange County who wants to hear the system, send me a PM.
Gator1 asked how I fit 5 1/4 inch J&L's in the back. Truthfully, I did it by purchasing them and giving them to the install guy. He said he would install them and if he had a problem he'd call me and we'd put in smaller ones. Later that day I picked up my car and they fit. Maybe I just got lucky in what I picked - I don't know.
I'm sure they cut the metal to fit the 5.25s
In the circle in the photo (ive posted it so many times by now) the metal there is about 11 gauge of steel there. If you have the means to cut it you'll be able to get in larger speakers.
In the circle in the photo (ive posted it so many times by now) the metal there is about 11 gauge of steel there. If you have the means to cut it you'll be able to get in larger speakers.
I definitely look forward to hearing someone's rear speakers... but for me it would be way too costly: I would have to add an additional amplifier and a 2-way Dynaudio set (probably a system 220). $400 for the amp $700 for the component set... that's $1100 for rear speakers... I don't think so 
Disclaimer: once you already have an increadible front stage, you con't just throw garbage in the rear... you either do it right or not at all.

Disclaimer: once you already have an increadible front stage, you con't just throw garbage in the rear... you either do it right or not at all.
Lucid: Why stop at 5 1/4 inch then? Why not 3 way 6x9's?
Shaner: You don't need to spend that much. I spent $ 220 for an MTX 6000 series and it is fine quality. I'm happy with $ 130 J&L's in the back. I'm not saying you can't do better but there is no question that the sound is clean and balanced. It is also more than a soundstage improvement. It is a dispersion improvement and it translates into less listener fatigue. One caveat though. The rear driver speaker will be unbalanced to your ear. If you are really soundstage sensitive you need to consider how to drop the volume on that speaker (or at least adjust it) so that you get control over that soundstage. But bottom line .... You should do it. Finally, price wise it seems that Lucid's panels (as I understand them) are a good deal given cost/time of doing it yourself or having a shop do it.
Shaner: You don't need to spend that much. I spent $ 220 for an MTX 6000 series and it is fine quality. I'm happy with $ 130 J&L's in the back. I'm not saying you can't do better but there is no question that the sound is clean and balanced. It is also more than a soundstage improvement. It is a dispersion improvement and it translates into less listener fatigue. One caveat though. The rear driver speaker will be unbalanced to your ear. If you are really soundstage sensitive you need to consider how to drop the volume on that speaker (or at least adjust it) so that you get control over that soundstage. But bottom line .... You should do it. Finally, price wise it seems that Lucid's panels (as I understand them) are a good deal given cost/time of doing it yourself or having a shop do it.
Originally posted by MarvinB.
Finally, price wise it seems that Lucid's panels (as I understand them) are a good deal given cost/time of doing it yourself or having a shop do it.
Finally, price wise it seems that Lucid's panels (as I understand them) are a good deal given cost/time of doing it yourself or having a shop do it.
I bought them from Lucid & the total install time was less the 20 mins.. They were plug & play.. They came with a complete set of instructions.. Not a scratch on the panels.. Well worth the money Again thanks Lucid
Marvin: The reason I won't go larger than 4" is because metal WILL have to be cut. The area is just too tight in there.
My kit is a nobrainer. With basic tools, most people can do this. I give you a step by step breakdown on how to do it. Its quicker and easier than installing new door speakers. Plus I stand behind each panel I make.
The other improvement that you can do is add a rear tweeter:
Since our headrests have the honeycomb vent, this setup is ideal. If you're concerned about losing your highs this is an excellent option. If you're already happy with the rear speakers, try the roll bar tweeter. We've all debated it before, but you just have to hear it.
My kit is a nobrainer. With basic tools, most people can do this. I give you a step by step breakdown on how to do it. Its quicker and easier than installing new door speakers. Plus I stand behind each panel I make.
The other improvement that you can do is add a rear tweeter:
Since our headrests have the honeycomb vent, this setup is ideal. If you're concerned about losing your highs this is an excellent option. If you're already happy with the rear speakers, try the roll bar tweeter. We've all debated it before, but you just have to hear it.
Marvin,
After spending $9000 on my system (and saving all installation fees because I did it all myself)... I would never "settle" for MTX and JBL components... they are quality pieces but not in the same caliper as Dynaudio. IF I was going to do it, I would do it right...
After spending $9000 on my system (and saving all installation fees because I did it all myself)... I would never "settle" for MTX and JBL components... they are quality pieces but not in the same caliper as Dynaudio. IF I was going to do it, I would do it right...



