1. Who cares if it's just on the way to the golf course? And where would your 10 x 6.5" box go by the way?

2. wrap them in a towell and put them inside the spare...

 

Thanks for all the great discussion! My plan is to remove my exsisting tool well 12' sub box (home made)


and build a new box w/4 high Xmax, 6.5inch subs.
Depending on building materials, I may be able to put the tool box back in.

This project seems like it would work on paper, should cost less than $150 including the drivers to construct, so I'm gonna start gathering materials and start building.

Nice thing is that if I don't like it, I can experiment with using 1 or more drivers in cabin in different locations.....

 

Great! I'm glad you came up with some solutions and found what works for you!

Everybody has their own preferences and priorities. The main thing is that there are multiple options for great sound systems in the S2000. Some will involve tradeoffs of space and appearance, others will not.

I have a bunch of crap in my trunk right now, including the newspaper (giddyup, Friday Fry's ads!), my laptop case, some work folders, and a jacket. The sound of my system on the way to work was in no way influenced by what I carried in the trunk. It was one of my priorities to not have my trunk contents influence my sound system, and not have my sound system influence my trunk contents. Believe it or not, it is possible.

LOL, I think you know the 10 x 6.5" comparison was made by somebody else, not me. I just did the math to show that the output comparison does not necessarily favor the single larger speaker. I don't even know where they would go!

However, four, three, two, or even one well-designed smaller subwoofers in the right location can provide good low frequency response to the occupants. The additional advantage of smaller drivers is that they can be placed more creatively in nooks and crannies that would otherwise be unused.

Personally I don't think you need more than one or two small subs in the cabin. They would not need to be removed for any reason, much less to fill the trunk with golf clubs.

The S2000 is an unconventional car with creative, unconventional engineering. That is one reason I admire and respect those who try unconventional solutions to audio challenges in this forum!

The use of smaller, nonconventional subwoofers in space-challenged situations has been around for years and that idea has been applied in many small cars (including Miatas, Z3s, Zcars, RX7s, MiniCoopers and S2000s.)

We shouldn't simply rule out a possibility based on less-than-accurate information, or because it may require more work or more creativity. But that's just my personal opinion...we've all got 'em!

This is not intended to be any kind of argument Jason. I respect you and I'm not trying to convince you to change your mind. There are multiple ways to go about this and it sounds like you have something that works for you. I just think we should remain open to creative possibilities.

For the S2000, multiple, smaller subwoofer drivers is a viable, creative alternative to a single big driver in the trunk.

 

Just for reference I thought I would add this link to a home audio loudspeaker I stumbled across: Von Schweikert LINK

"Twin shielded 7" poly-laminate mica-cellulose woofers reproduce the bottom octaves with authority and clarity, using a modified triple-chambered transmission-line to achieve response flat to 23Hz (-6dB @ 20Hz)."


Some reviews call them 6.5" drivers. Whatever.

These are $4000/pr audiophile-quality speakers, known for excellent bass response, with 7" drivers in a ported enclosure. I'm not suggesting anybody put these in their S2000 of course, but hopefully it demonstrates that a 10" or 12" driver is not mandatory to produce low frequencies, and produce them well.

 

LATEOTT: I just realized you are local. We'll have to compare some time.

And for the record, I have nothing against unobtrusive, in-cabin drivers. Just wanted to make sure we were all making our decisions with as much info as possible. I became accustomed to deeper bass in previous cars and I know not everyone has that affliction.

 

VS makes incredible home speakers ... the VS4-JR is very popular in the $4500 a pair price range.

Here is the problem with small subs, they cannot create low frequencies efficiently. Low frequency waves are huge (often well over 10 feet long) so 10 or a 12 inch drivers tend to perform better, because they can do the low frequency work much easier, and with less power.

Given the limitations of alternators and amps, both sides have a point, it would take way too much power to pump 20HZ flat out of a 6 inch sub. But it is possible.

Those VS are generally powered with 200-300 RMS minimum ... with huge 30 pound transformers backed by steady AC voltage to keep the power steady and instantaneous.

 

[QUOTE=LATEOTT,Dec 9 2005, 02:50 AM]MX5, I don't think contained room pressure is required to produce low frequencies.

 

Yep performance bass drivers are built for durability and stability over 1000 performances, they generally dont want to mess with the lowest octave, which tends to damage stuff

 

Yea, the only thing likely to be damaged by the high output levels are people's ears.

 

[QUOTE=RED MX5,Dec 9 2005, 09:52 PM]Yea, the only thing likely to be damaged by the high output levels are people's ears.