Bad compression/ bad head
#1
Bad compression/ bad head
Hey guys i bought a 2005 with 130k about a month ago. Drove it 300 miles back home no problems. I got a comp test done and it showed 220 160 170 220. I also burn oil. Not super fast or even a fair amount but it is worth noting. Then my car started overheating. Took it straight to a great local shop and they said it 100% needs a new head. The procedure i gonna be bringing it to a machine shop and having them repair it, then replace spark plugs, thermostat, oil filter, serpentine belt, radiator cap, and the water pump. They charged around 2500$ but im wondering
will this most likely fix compression?
will it stop the oil burn at least a little bit? How big is this repair compared to a full engine rebuild?
thanks guys glad to be a part of this community.
will this most likely fix compression?
will it stop the oil burn at least a little bit? How big is this repair compared to a full engine rebuild?
thanks guys glad to be a part of this community.
#3
#4
Hopefully it's not as bad as my recollections. Here's a taste of notes on this:
0.004" is roughly the thickness of a post-it note.
-- Chuck
Any head mill more than .004 will skew the chain geometry, and accelerate wear of the chain and sprockets. A head gasket with comparable thickness added will put it back in range.
The limit it the manual does not account for the ongoing timing chain issue, where the current chain geo is near the limit.
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The limit it the manual does not account for the ongoing timing chain issue, where the current chain geo is near the limit.
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Billman250 S2000 Service & Repair///Billman Motion Generation-X TCT
0.004" is roughly the thickness of a post-it note.
-- Chuck
#5
for starters
1) they are quoting you an aftermarket head gasket set, one you can buy on amazon for $95 for $233 bucks... headbolts for $211 which sell for $46... By apex, the only aftermarket id consider would be felpro and I still wouldn't even consider it seriously. There are many many many documented issues with aftermarket head gaskets on these engines, I fully understand a shop has to make money... but hell no
2) its odd that cylinders 2 & 3 are the low ones. I would have the compression test redone elsewhere for a second opinion
3) its just as likely that a valve adjustment can be the cause of low compression. Its odd that a 28% compression variance from one cylinder to the next wouldn't trigger at least a p0300 random cylinder misfire.
4) I would look for a shop that specializes in s2000, specifically for #2 to be redone
5) did they also do a leak down test? If not I would not condem the headgasket
6) I would post about this in underhood repairs. You'll likely find more interaction with forum members as it is a more popular forum and this specific topic fits there
1) they are quoting you an aftermarket head gasket set, one you can buy on amazon for $95 for $233 bucks... headbolts for $211 which sell for $46... By apex, the only aftermarket id consider would be felpro and I still wouldn't even consider it seriously. There are many many many documented issues with aftermarket head gaskets on these engines, I fully understand a shop has to make money... but hell no
2) its odd that cylinders 2 & 3 are the low ones. I would have the compression test redone elsewhere for a second opinion
3) its just as likely that a valve adjustment can be the cause of low compression. Its odd that a 28% compression variance from one cylinder to the next wouldn't trigger at least a p0300 random cylinder misfire.
4) I would look for a shop that specializes in s2000, specifically for #2 to be redone
5) did they also do a leak down test? If not I would not condem the headgasket
6) I would post about this in underhood repairs. You'll likely find more interaction with forum members as it is a more popular forum and this specific topic fits there
#6
for starters
1) they are quoting you an aftermarket head gasket set, one you can buy on amazon for $95 for $233 bucks... headbolts for $211 which sell for $46... By apex, the only aftermarket id consider would be felpro and I still wouldn't even consider it seriously. There are many many many documented issues with aftermarket head gaskets on these engines, I fully understand a shop has to make money... but hell no
2) its odd that cylinders 2 & 3 are the low ones. I would have the compression test redone elsewhere for a second opinion
3) its just as likely that a valve adjustment can be the cause of low compression. Its odd that a 28% compression variance from one cylinder to the next wouldn't trigger at least a p0300 random cylinder misfire.
4) I would look for a shop that specializes in s2000, specifically for #2 to be redone
5) did they also do a leak down test? If not I would not condem the headgasket
6) I would post about this in underhood repairs. You'll likely find more interaction with forum members as it is a more popular forum and this specific topic fits there
1) they are quoting you an aftermarket head gasket set, one you can buy on amazon for $95 for $233 bucks... headbolts for $211 which sell for $46... By apex, the only aftermarket id consider would be felpro and I still wouldn't even consider it seriously. There are many many many documented issues with aftermarket head gaskets on these engines, I fully understand a shop has to make money... but hell no
2) its odd that cylinders 2 & 3 are the low ones. I would have the compression test redone elsewhere for a second opinion
3) its just as likely that a valve adjustment can be the cause of low compression. Its odd that a 28% compression variance from one cylinder to the next wouldn't trigger at least a p0300 random cylinder misfire.
4) I would look for a shop that specializes in s2000, specifically for #2 to be redone
5) did they also do a leak down test? If not I would not condem the headgasket
6) I would post about this in underhood repairs. You'll likely find more interaction with forum members as it is a more popular forum and this specific topic fits there
Pmd
#7
I've had heads milled well over .010" will no ill effects and I know of others that have gone MUCH more than that. .010" with a new chain still lined up better than a non-milled head with a worn chain.
All that "mill the head and its trash" are the same people that have zero hands on experience.
Since you need a new headgasket regardless, ask them to throw a bore gauge on the cylinders when the head is off so you can get an idea of how out-of-round they are. That will give you a decent Idea on the condition, on the top end anyway.
All that "mill the head and its trash" are the same people that have zero hands on experience.
Since you need a new headgasket regardless, ask them to throw a bore gauge on the cylinders when the head is off so you can get an idea of how out-of-round they are. That will give you a decent Idea on the condition, on the top end anyway.
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#8
@Macks2k have you got anything done with your head situation yet? I had a similar issue with my 2005 S2000 and my local machine shop was able to fix it all up very nicely. I did not have any overheating issues, but I'm pretty sure my head gasket was leaking a little bit. If you want to read all about my situation, here's the thread: https://www.s2ki.com/forums/s2000-un...sults-1188367/ It turned out that the exhaust valve seats in the head were damaged which caused odd compression numbers. You'll have to remove the cylinder head and have it tested/checked/disassembled in order to figure out what the actual problem is, but there's a good chance that you can fix what you have.
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