Hey Blucky....Glad to hear everything is still going / working well on your car. I'm curious / confused though: In the PTuning thread you had mentined that you currently "have the .82 hotside, and were going to swap for the 1.06"...... I thought that you originally had the 1.06 A/R hot-side...and were going to swap that out for the smaller .82 A/R...to give you the quicker spool that you were looking for...? Did you already make the change to the .82 and still not get the spool-up response you had hoped?

Let me know I'm interested to hear.....

 

My mistake... I have a brand new .82 sitting in front of me that I plan on installing in the next few weeks. My build is very very similar to yours. so on 93 oct I should make what you are making.
I installed Id1000s yesterday and sold my 2000s. If I can find a dyno in my area I really really want to put e85 in my tank also since I have a FB hanger.

 

did you get the fuel rail?

 

yes i got it, thanks! i forgot to text you

 

Why did you sell the ID-2000's.....aren't you going to need the extra fuel flow output from them to run E85...?

I'm only running on 92-octane....but am starting at a static fuel pressure of 60-psi, with the rising rate FP at 1 to 1....at the higher rpm's above 7500-ish I'm pushing the ID-1000's to 92% duty-cycle at 23-psi of boost. Aren't you going to need the bigger injectors...?

Again, let me know, I'm curious.

 

Why did you sell the ID-2000's.....aren't you going to need the extra fuel flow output from them to run E85...?

I'm only running on 92-octane....but am starting at a static fuel pressure of 60-psi, with the rising rate FP at 1 to 1....at the higher rpm's above 7500-ish I'm pushing the ID-1000's to 92% duty-cycle at 23-psi of boost. Aren't you going to need the bigger injectors...?

Again, let me know, I'm curious.
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Decided to scale back the build a bit. Sure with a built block I can handle like 800whp but what good is that if i'm just going to spin out every gear/break my transmission. I really just want to do 530whp for now.

The ID2000s just didn't idle right. the 1000s are so much better and the car idles like stock now. I heard you can mess with inj phasing to get the 2000s to work good but I didn't want to bother.

As for needing more fuel output for e85 you are right. I would just want to see what I could make with 1000s and 2 pumps and e85. what would I make? maybe 450whp?

 

Why did you sell the ID-2000's.....aren't you going to need the extra fuel flow output from them to run E85...?

I'm only running on 92-octane....but am starting at a static fuel pressure of 60-psi, with the rising rate FP at 1 to 1....at the higher rpm's above 7500-ish I'm pushing the ID-1000's to 92% duty-cycle at 23-psi of boost. Aren't you going to need the bigger injectors...?

Again, let me know, I'm curious.
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Decided to scale back the build a bit. Sure with a built block I can handle like 800whp but what good is that if i'm just going to spin out every gear/break my transmission. I really just want to do 530whp for now.

The ID2000s just didn't idle right. the 1000s are so much better and the car idles like stock now. I heard you can mess with inj phasing to get the 2000s to work good but I didn't want to bother.

As for needing more fuel output for e85 you are right. I would just want to see what I could make with 1000s and 2 pumps and e85. what would I make? maybe 450whp?
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Depends how much you want to raise fuel pressure. If you raise to the max, then ~600whp.

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Why did you sell the ID-2000's.....aren't you going to need the extra fuel flow output from them to run E85...?

I'm only running on 92-octane....but am starting at a static fuel pressure of 60-psi, with the rising rate FP at 1 to 1....at the higher rpm's above 7500-ish I'm pushing the ID-1000's to 92% duty-cycle at 23-psi of boost. Aren't you going to need the bigger injectors...?

Again, let me know, I'm curious.
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Decided to scale back the build a bit. Sure with a built block I can handle like 800whp but what good is that if i'm just going to spin out every gear/break my transmission. I really just want to do 530whp for now.

The ID2000s just didn't idle right. the 1000s are so much better and the car idles like stock now. I heard you can mess with inj phasing to get the 2000s to work good but I didn't want to bother.

As for needing more fuel output for e85 you are right. I would just want to see what I could make with 1000s and 2 pumps and e85. what would I make? maybe 450whp?
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It took a little work but the ID 2000's idle pretty good on e85 right now. Yes they are not 1000's idle quality, but its pretty damn good. Once you start moving the 2000's run well. You can get over 500whp but you will need to raise fuel pressure. If you keep stock base pressure you will make 450whp ish.

You have a built block and head. Just run 93 octane with the 1000's and you should hit 500whp no problem without having to raise base pressure.

 

With regard to the Fuel-Pressure....and 92 / 93 Octane:

I'm running on 92-Octane and have maxed it out as far as what it can do HP and TQ wise before problematic detaonation. This is based on cylinder pressure and the displacement of my motor at 2.1 Liters. Basically I'm getting 175 ft-lbs of TQ per Liter which is at the upper limits of 92-Octane.

To do that I am running a static fuel pressure of 60-psi rising at 1 to 1...as boost increases / rises (to 23-psi boost), putting me at about 83 to 85-psi when I'm at the top of my RPM band.

This set-up is at 92% Duty Cycle on the ID-1000's.....Using a single FullBlown 340 fuel pump, and is based on our 9:1 compression motor (cylinder volume).

So here's my summary / "opinion" of what you might expect:

1. Since our motors / builds are Extremely Similar.....you should be able to achieve a very similar result of 520 - 540 HP, and 350-ish TQ on the 93-Octane.

2. If you decide to stick with the 93-Octane, you will likely be able to dial up the Fuel Pressure higher than where I'm at as a starting point due to your dual pump set-up.

3. With the uppded fuel pressure you will achieve a lower duty cyle on the ID-1000's, but will still be at the upper limits of what the 93-Octane can output safely...so at that point you are trading fuel pressure for duty cycle %...without too much more to gain from the 93-Octane.

4. One other point not previously mentioned: The GTX3076R Turbo is rated at 640-HP max (from Garrett site)...this rating is from the crank, not at the wheels. There is a standard approximate deduction of about 15% difference. Thus putting the max-rating for our turbo at around 550-WHP......Again kind of at the top-end of the spectrum for our turbo. (not to say it can't go a bit higher....I'm just saying you'll be near it's top-out).

5. Lastly, with some tweaks, a good tune, running E-85, on your current set-up "As-Is" I agree that you could most likely hit the 600-WHP mark, but you will be very close to the limits / capability of the GTX3076R Turbo and at the top / upper end of the overall PSI rating for the ID-1000's which I think they are rated for a max around 100-psi (not that you'll be at 100-psi just in the upper end of what they are rated for).

6. Find a good tuner that you have a lot of confidence in....you're at the top-end of your set-up with what we're discussing. Intake temps change / rise very rapidly under these kinds of boost pressures....(25-psi & up)

Again, Let me know....Keep me posted on how everything turns out,

Rob

 

Thanks batbite

I had also thought about raising the static fuel pressure.... I have twin 255s currently they should be good enough to keep the pressure up correct? and my AEM fpr and IP fuel rail should be good also?

Is it bad to run the IDs at 90% duty? I also have a direct port meth kit I bought that I thought about using to just cool the AITs.


after I swapped in my 1000s I changed the map using AEMs auto correct for new injector wizard and got the car to idle perfect very easy. BUT as soon as I touch the gas to start driving the car just dies!