CNC Speedshop built engine
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CNC Speedshop built engine
Hi guyz ! I'm here to share with you my experience with CNC Speedshop directed by Wadzii/Jason on s2ki.
First of all, i'm sorry for my bad english. I'm a frenchie and i'll try to write at my best english level ^^
So, we had planned to buy an engine from CNC Speedshop since we discussed with Wadzii/Jason on s2ki at the end of 2013 and the Mahle pistons. He seemed very helpful and advise well about our build. He proposed to make one for us. So we accepted the quotation and here begin our adventure at the beginning of 2014.
Because we're overseas customers, we had some lack of communication when we asked for news or photos, but ok we knew that we're not the only customers... We received the engine exactly one year ago in September 2014, we planned to put it on the S2k after christmas. We planned to do the mapping with him too during the year.
We asked him to know how to break-in it and what we should check before the first start.
He gave us some details to double check but since those details are done we could put the engine and start it right away. Ok we noticed it.
We began on February 2015 to work on the engine and we saw some weird things... Cam Timing was not set up correctly, oil pan broken and paint on a oil fitting so we asked for explanation...
My friend that a mechanical and an s2k owner himself were skeptical and told me that he was to double check into the engine to see if all is ok. To be sure, i approuved it because if all were ok just buy an head gasket is not a big deal.
Here began the misadventure.
We found that some parts are differents brands that we ordered.
- Sleeves were not assemblie well, same for pistons and
- I ordered Inline Pro Rods with CP Pistons and ARP +625 Bolts but we found Skunk2 with standard bolts
- Cylinder head is marked and not surfaced divots marked.
- Treatment ceramic coat pistons with dust on top.
- Core block not surfaced and not bored.
So we make some pictures and sent it right away to him.
We planned to do some tracks this year with it and booked some for May, but since we had this kind of problem, we knew that we're in trouble...
First Jason assume that there is indeed a problem, because we argue with pictures, videos and we made some measures on some.
He asked for us to send the problematic parts to check it, that is normal first he told us that he'll cover the return shipping because it's the least that he can do (quote from his mail), but things get long and a bit awkward, so we paid the return shipping and hope that he'll saw problems too and then negociating a refund or something else.
To resume, we paid engine built + shipping to France (with customs fee) + shipping returns.
All parts arrived to CNC Speedshop............. thanks to our carrier.
Jason checked block and parts then told us that all seemed to be ok... Wut ?
February, he told us that there is obviously a problem and now all is ok ?
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Jason Wadsworth <jason@centralncspeedshop.com> wrote this email 2 March 2015 :
I'm extremely sorry here.. those rods and that cylinder head were supposed to go in the motor that is in our shops car. Last year I had a guy working for me that was doing some engine assembly after I had measured everything. Basically I did the blueprint and he bolted everything together. We had 3 engines pretty much identical going together along with yours. That cylinder head came off of a motor that had eaten a spark plug, which is what the divots are, they dont hurt anything but obviously I dont want to send that out!
I'm not in a position to be able to give you a full refund, what I can do is ship you one of our darton sleeved blocks along with the pistons it was bored for, correct the arp +625 bolts for those rods (the skunk2, brian crower and inline pro rods are all exactly the same rod with a different logo on it) and a headgasket. The ceramic coat always has some texture to it, not sure if thats what you are seeing. It's tough to tell from the pictures.
I showed all of the pictures of the block to my machinist, he said the block had to have cracked in order for the sleeves to move that much. The final process of installing the sleeves is to deck the block.
I can get you another cylinder head, I dont have any ready to go but I can in a week. Running that head isnt going to hurt anything as it is.. thats up to you.
If you want to keep that head I'll refund you the $300 for the core, and I'll also refund you the $900 for assembling the engine. I would ask that we get the broken block and pistons shipped back to us.
Again I apologize, and if it makes any difference I am the only one that touches anything in the shop now, the 2 guys that were working for me have been let go for various screwup's along these lines.
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He started to be rude by told us that "we don't know what we're doing" and that'll not argue with us. But if I hadn't check this the engine, we would never have seen that it was not the right parts purchased.
All people that worked on this project already work on a S2k and already work on this type of project so saying this about my friends is quite rude...
I'm ok that wadzii is a technical person on s2ki and had a lot of experience on it. But when we sent pics and vidz of the block on deck, he told us that indeed there is a problem. We sent all problematic parts and then there are no problem, we checked the wrong way, we should not bring the engine apart, we don't know what we do... come on if we checked the wrong way why did you don't explain how you'll check it instead of telling us : "There is a problem indeed"
In one of his mail, he told us that some guys that worked with him made some crappies work and it seems that thoses guys work on our engine... (Quote from a mail send by him)
Afterwards, He didn't let us a lot of choice, he proposed us a refund (about nearly 2600$ since we paid only for the built 8500$, shipping costs excluded) or we can retrieve all that we sent to him but guess what ? we have to paid for shipping...
We accepted the refund, he told us by mail in July that this will take approximatively 30 days to have it.
We're in September now, we send him an email 15 days ago, no answer...
We let a message on the FB wall of his shop + a PM. PM were checked, message on FB wall too but i were blocked on FB messenger and my message were erase on their wall.
Some the staff seems to have time to moderate people but not to give information to customers...Great
So i was obliged to make a PM on the personal FB profile of wadziii.
We didn't have and answered yet... All we want to know is when we'll be refund ? That is the question.
I hoped that no one will experiment this kind of situation with them, but that were ours. i cannot post a lot of pics or mail on FB so i'll do it on s2ki to allow you to made your own opinion of this situation.
But i'll not recommend them to overseas customers due to this kind of problem.
We loved this car and we wanted to give her a new life but it seems that it'll be difficult task
First of all, i'm sorry for my bad english. I'm a frenchie and i'll try to write at my best english level ^^
So, we had planned to buy an engine from CNC Speedshop since we discussed with Wadzii/Jason on s2ki at the end of 2013 and the Mahle pistons. He seemed very helpful and advise well about our build. He proposed to make one for us. So we accepted the quotation and here begin our adventure at the beginning of 2014.
Because we're overseas customers, we had some lack of communication when we asked for news or photos, but ok we knew that we're not the only customers... We received the engine exactly one year ago in September 2014, we planned to put it on the S2k after christmas. We planned to do the mapping with him too during the year.
We asked him to know how to break-in it and what we should check before the first start.
He gave us some details to double check but since those details are done we could put the engine and start it right away. Ok we noticed it.
We began on February 2015 to work on the engine and we saw some weird things... Cam Timing was not set up correctly, oil pan broken and paint on a oil fitting so we asked for explanation...
My friend that a mechanical and an s2k owner himself were skeptical and told me that he was to double check into the engine to see if all is ok. To be sure, i approuved it because if all were ok just buy an head gasket is not a big deal.
Here began the misadventure.
We found that some parts are differents brands that we ordered.
- Sleeves were not assemblie well, same for pistons and
- I ordered Inline Pro Rods with CP Pistons and ARP +625 Bolts but we found Skunk2 with standard bolts
- Cylinder head is marked and not surfaced divots marked.
- Treatment ceramic coat pistons with dust on top.
- Core block not surfaced and not bored.
So we make some pictures and sent it right away to him.
We planned to do some tracks this year with it and booked some for May, but since we had this kind of problem, we knew that we're in trouble...
First Jason assume that there is indeed a problem, because we argue with pictures, videos and we made some measures on some.
He asked for us to send the problematic parts to check it, that is normal first he told us that he'll cover the return shipping because it's the least that he can do (quote from his mail), but things get long and a bit awkward, so we paid the return shipping and hope that he'll saw problems too and then negociating a refund or something else.
To resume, we paid engine built + shipping to France (with customs fee) + shipping returns.
All parts arrived to CNC Speedshop............. thanks to our carrier.
Jason checked block and parts then told us that all seemed to be ok... Wut ?
February, he told us that there is obviously a problem and now all is ok ?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jason Wadsworth <jason@centralncspeedshop.com> wrote this email 2 March 2015 :
I'm extremely sorry here.. those rods and that cylinder head were supposed to go in the motor that is in our shops car. Last year I had a guy working for me that was doing some engine assembly after I had measured everything. Basically I did the blueprint and he bolted everything together. We had 3 engines pretty much identical going together along with yours. That cylinder head came off of a motor that had eaten a spark plug, which is what the divots are, they dont hurt anything but obviously I dont want to send that out!
I'm not in a position to be able to give you a full refund, what I can do is ship you one of our darton sleeved blocks along with the pistons it was bored for, correct the arp +625 bolts for those rods (the skunk2, brian crower and inline pro rods are all exactly the same rod with a different logo on it) and a headgasket. The ceramic coat always has some texture to it, not sure if thats what you are seeing. It's tough to tell from the pictures.
I showed all of the pictures of the block to my machinist, he said the block had to have cracked in order for the sleeves to move that much. The final process of installing the sleeves is to deck the block.
I can get you another cylinder head, I dont have any ready to go but I can in a week. Running that head isnt going to hurt anything as it is.. thats up to you.
If you want to keep that head I'll refund you the $300 for the core, and I'll also refund you the $900 for assembling the engine. I would ask that we get the broken block and pistons shipped back to us.
Again I apologize, and if it makes any difference I am the only one that touches anything in the shop now, the 2 guys that were working for me have been let go for various screwup's along these lines.
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He started to be rude by told us that "we don't know what we're doing" and that'll not argue with us. But if I hadn't check this the engine, we would never have seen that it was not the right parts purchased.
All people that worked on this project already work on a S2k and already work on this type of project so saying this about my friends is quite rude...
I'm ok that wadzii is a technical person on s2ki and had a lot of experience on it. But when we sent pics and vidz of the block on deck, he told us that indeed there is a problem. We sent all problematic parts and then there are no problem, we checked the wrong way, we should not bring the engine apart, we don't know what we do... come on if we checked the wrong way why did you don't explain how you'll check it instead of telling us : "There is a problem indeed"
In one of his mail, he told us that some guys that worked with him made some crappies work and it seems that thoses guys work on our engine... (Quote from a mail send by him)
Afterwards, He didn't let us a lot of choice, he proposed us a refund (about nearly 2600$ since we paid only for the built 8500$, shipping costs excluded) or we can retrieve all that we sent to him but guess what ? we have to paid for shipping...
We accepted the refund, he told us by mail in July that this will take approximatively 30 days to have it.
We're in September now, we send him an email 15 days ago, no answer...
We let a message on the FB wall of his shop + a PM. PM were checked, message on FB wall too but i were blocked on FB messenger and my message were erase on their wall.
Some the staff seems to have time to moderate people but not to give information to customers...Great
So i was obliged to make a PM on the personal FB profile of wadziii.
We didn't have and answered yet... All we want to know is when we'll be refund ? That is the question.
I hoped that no one will experiment this kind of situation with them, but that were ours. i cannot post a lot of pics or mail on FB so i'll do it on s2ki to allow you to made your own opinion of this situation.
But i'll not recommend them to overseas customers due to this kind of problem.
We loved this car and we wanted to give her a new life but it seems that it'll be difficult task
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We will uploaded some pics, vids and email about this soon. What isn't normal is that it performs work on parts with problems : For exemple, i choose RLZ CNC Port work on the cylinder head but Divots are not ok and they create sharp hot spots and can cause detonation. I choose ceramics coating for pistons but it's painted with air compressor and dirt on the top, overheat guaranteed.
Jason is active on s2ki and we can see the GB (Stroker kit, Differential kit...) but i'm very surprised about this work. I don't know the consideration what would have happened if we would have run the engine and FI. We would have blew it up the engine in no time....
Jason is active on s2ki and we can see the GB (Stroker kit, Differential kit...) but i'm very surprised about this work. I don't know the consideration what would have happened if we would have run the engine and FI. We would have blew it up the engine in no time....
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Wow, sounds a lot like Kings Performance thread with customer in England.
I'm very surprised at this also, especially with the quality of work they do with the diffs. Hopefully this is just an isolated incident and no one has these issues with the stroker kits.
I don't understand why they don't issue the refund they agreed to with the customer. This is just a little shady imo.
I'm very surprised at this also, especially with the quality of work they do with the diffs. Hopefully this is just an isolated incident and no one has these issues with the stroker kits.
I don't understand why they don't issue the refund they agreed to with the customer. This is just a little shady imo.
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So to just try to put this into some cliff notes:
- You ordered a built block from CNC.Requested Inline Pro Rods/ARP625+ Rod bolts and CP Pistons, ceramic coated pistons
- CNC sent poorly assembled block with Skunk2 rods and standard rod bolts. Poorly coated pistons and damaged head
- You get in contact with Jason/Wadzii at CNC, he recognizes his mistakes. Offers to send you a Darton sleeved block and the correct ARP bolts (the rods are basically the same). Offers to refund the engine assembly ($900). Offers to send you a new head, but will need some time to get one or have the core charge refunded.
- You take him up on the refund
- Jason informs you it will take 30 days (from July)
- Still not contact from Jason/CNC and all communication shut off as of Sept 10
Is this right???
- You ordered a built block from CNC.Requested Inline Pro Rods/ARP625+ Rod bolts and CP Pistons, ceramic coated pistons
- CNC sent poorly assembled block with Skunk2 rods and standard rod bolts. Poorly coated pistons and damaged head
- You get in contact with Jason/Wadzii at CNC, he recognizes his mistakes. Offers to send you a Darton sleeved block and the correct ARP bolts (the rods are basically the same). Offers to refund the engine assembly ($900). Offers to send you a new head, but will need some time to get one or have the core charge refunded.
- You take him up on the refund
- Jason informs you it will take 30 days (from July)
- Still not contact from Jason/CNC and all communication shut off as of Sept 10
Is this right???