I'm debating whether to get an emanage ultimate or the apexi neo? Has anyone tuned their car with any of these or a better piggyback?

I know there is the option of the Kpro , but I would need to replace all the sensors to make it work with my AP1. I think any of these will be better than the current FPR tune...

 

I used the Neo in conjunction with the RRFPR. You'll still need the RRFPR, but can use the Neo to lower VTEC and tune out any rich areas. Search for posts by S2000Junky on the topic of using a VAFC with a CT supercharged setup. You adjust the RRFPR so you don't spike over 13ish AFR during the VTEC transition phase, then use the Neo to lean out any areas (top end) that start to run too rich. If you have a good AFR gauge then it'd pretty easy to street tune.

 

Why not go EMS? Its a pretty simple swap into ap1. Deepening on boost numbers you don't need to change any sensors until over 10psi I believe, maybe 12. I know it cost more but I gained almost 40 wheel when I did nothing other that EMS and tune. Well worth the extra $$ and you can pick up a series 1 on here with a harness for a great price now. I wasn't all that happy with the Apexi after I drove the car with a good tune. Not only that, much less black smoke. Not to rain on your plans, I just wish I did it the right way the first time. Would have saved so much $$ in the long run

 

I went with the e-manage, novi1000 and id1000. Should fire things up tomorrow and get tune somewhere next week.

Fingers crossed I don't regret it.

 

If i get the AEM series 1 with the harness, its just a plug and play with no modification? Did you get the extra 40HP at what PSI?

My issue with the EMS is having to pass emissions.......

 

You need aftermarket injectors and a tuner if you go with anything other then a neo/rrfpr combo. With a good working esm/map clamp,and the right expectation familiarity with the vafc/neo one can have a great running and reliable base supercharger kit for a lot of years. If you plan on upping the boost beyond one size up from the base pressure, then you will have to upp the injector cc and therefore engine management.

If someone gained 40whp from a base 5-6psi comptech/neo combo to just a standalone with no other mods, then they didn't have their previous set up running up to its typical potential. There is no way that is a typical scenario. At base pressure id be surprised to see any gains at all, and in many cases the idle and partial throttle suffers on the ems becuase most tuners won't take the time to concentrate on that area of the tune as well as honda/stock is, and at the base system that is retained.

many times I have seen the mechanical vac actuated missing link map clamps used rather then the factory comptech wired in esm to hide boost, and those missing links cause erratic hiccups and poor overall running. The esm is the only way to go, and it is compatible with the vafc/neo.

 

The tune is probably the most important part of the whole build. I have no experience with emanage on THIS particular car, so take this for what it's worth, but I've never seen that piece of junk work well on any car. Ever.

 

I agree that they aren't widely supported and therefore the tuner who gives them a go are usually not very successful in giving a great tune compared to something more conventional in a full standalone.

However I am here to tell you that I have a small circle of friends that run these and collaborate with one another over the years and as a result have had much success in na applications as well as mild to moderate and high level sc systems such as my own. I am running 1000cc injectors and maxing out a novi 1200 with one. The Emanage ult has all the bells and whistles of a full aem ems as well as data logging. I will admit that its data logging resolution is getting a bit long in the tooth, but if you take the proper revisions you can tune the car on the street with this set up and be quite successful as I have.

The thing I like about using it is it has all the capabilities of a full standalone, yet retained the stock ecu for its factory cel, emissions compliance and a lot less work tuning idle to 0 vac as this area is running off the factory ecu and if scaled properly will run just as good as stock which is hard to find complaint with.

But unless your in a rare circle of friends or have a tuner that can properly support the device for you, I would stay away from it.

 

Yes you need injectors but that's about it. I forget the boost I was running when I did the tune but it was lower at that time. I made 310 on the tune vs never passing 300's on no tune. Bottom line here, lets be real for a minute... You spent a $hit load of $$ on the blower kit.. Why half ass it now? Spend the extra coin or wait until you can. A proper tune will maximize the power you get out of the blower. Isnt that what you wanted when you paid all that $$ for it? Your car will be safer and WAY stronger. Yes you will have emissions issues but everyone knows somebody that can get stickers. iIf not, throw the stock ecu and injectors in once a year.