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Old Jun 9, 2015 | 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SlowTeg
Originally Posted by mattie170' timestamp='1433830512' post='23641346
Someone said they would prefer front end lift to destroying a engine, I would prefer the engine run 5c hotter than the car going light at the front which could lead to you going into a barrier which could have serious affects on your health!!
Haha touche, but all I'd need to do is compensate w/ my "mAd SkillZ" and I'd be a-ok. There are clearly many ways to skin a cat. I'm not sure what kind of times you run, but the SOS race car utilized a V mount setup and ran some pretty quick times last I heard, so clearly the lift created is manageable.
But they run a lot of aero so that will counter the affect. Not everyone wants to run that level of aero even more so if you drive to the track.
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Old Jun 9, 2015 | 05:16 AM
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Without a hood that vents this air, virtually any setup will escape under the car...
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Old Jun 9, 2015 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by mattie170
I have lots of logs with coolant temps, oil temps, oil pressure, fuel pressure,fuel temp etc so have lots of data to back my claims up.

Here is my build thread https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/941...ith-added-nos/
Too many pages to read. Why don't you post your exact setup at the time of the datalogs and the datalogs in this thread? It looks like you have run multiple setups on the car.
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Old Jun 18, 2015 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by King Tut
Originally Posted by mattie170' timestamp='1433793835' post='23640797
I have lots of logs with coolant temps, oil temps, oil pressure, fuel pressure,fuel temp etc so have lots of data to back my claims up.

Here is my build thread https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/941...ith-added-nos/
Too many pages to read. Why don't you post your exact setup at the time of the datalogs and the datalogs in this thread? It looks like you have run multiple setups on the car.
Im in for this as well.
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Old Jun 19, 2015 | 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by yamahaSHO

Beating on the car on the street does not even remotely compare to beating on the car on track, with a driver who can really push it. You cannot really make a statement of, "You don't have to have a vmount. I good flowing dual pass with proper air flow will work fine." based on a street car (which is really what you have).

Somebody gets it! \/
Don't want to turn this into more needless bickering but guess you didn't read my entire statement. I'm fully aware my car is a street car and the difference between tracking and street driving. I clearly stated that there is a car with my setup that tracks and has zero for issues. But neither of us have v-mounts so the information is irrelevant since OP wants info on them.

OP I have a build list from when I was going to make a v-mount. C&R is where I was going to get most of my parts.
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Old Jun 19, 2015 | 06:34 AM
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You did say there was a guy in town that tracks that kit, but that's pretty much all you said. If he's slow a balls, he's not pushing the limits of the cooling system, which in itself make it irrelevant.
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Old Jun 19, 2015 | 08:37 AM
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Slow he is not.
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Old Jun 19, 2015 | 04:19 PM
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It's relative... Is he knocking on the door of class lap records? If not... SLOW.
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Old Jun 19, 2015 | 05:25 PM
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Isn't how fast (lap times) not even necessarily indicative of a well functioning cooling system, at its limit? I mean, take car A with at some power level that makes some lap time, and car B that has less power but posts the same time. An argument could be made that car B is just as fast because he has higher speeds in the turns, notably due to some variable other than power (aero, tires, suspension) that lead to that time right? And even with the lower power level, car B's water temps are higher than car A's. My point is the most accurate measure (I'm asserting) of whether the cooling system is working "sufficiently" well is how it takes to repeated, long, WOT runs? That's what we're after right, by talking about tracking? We don't even need to address turns (tracking) as that doesn't necessarily deal with power/cooling, i.e. heat, i.e. the subject at hand.

I feel like the only way we can all truly measure, log, and share how well our systems work is by going WOT from say 20-100-20 over and over again. The point being WOT to redline is going to introduce the MOST amount of heat, and by doing so repeatedly we're truly testing the ability of the cooling system to shed heat, heat upon heat, upon heat. No need to bring how fast the person is (lap times). With temperature data and relevant modifications (vented hood, fans, intercooler/radiator configuration, dimensions of said parts, etc) maybe we can actually start talking with facts and not assumptions and "they said this" or "I heard this". Sure, having a V-mount will give the best chance of lower water temps, not arguing that. But some guys (like me) don't have that option due to cost, turbo configuration, or whatever. Do you NEED a v-mount? I don't know, and that's where we can start answering questions like that for the betterment of everyone with data. Again, the data doesn't lie
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Old Jun 19, 2015 | 11:09 PM
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That is the reason I referenced classing.
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