installing different head
To have a larger powerband. If its going to blow up at x rpms, I'm not going to rev that high, I'm trying to find out how high it is safe to rev to. If I stop making power at 9k (which I didn't), then I would stop there.
The engine was revved to 9.4k w stock ap1 head, so I was thinking that w upgraded everything in the head, I should be able to get another 1k revs without exploding?
This isn't a track car or anything, so safety/longevity is one of my top concerns, but if I can rev higher safely, why not?
I don't think I've been above 9.2 more than 5 times in the 15,000+ miles that I've been turbod and tuned, so its not like I will be bouncing off the rev limiter daily.
The engine was revved to 9.4k w stock ap1 head, so I was thinking that w upgraded everything in the head, I should be able to get another 1k revs without exploding?
This isn't a track car or anything, so safety/longevity is one of my top concerns, but if I can rev higher safely, why not?
I don't think I've been above 9.2 more than 5 times in the 15,000+ miles that I've been turbod and tuned, so its not like I will be bouncing off the rev limiter daily.
I don't understand why people care about power dropping off. If you are making a number for example, we will use 500whp.
Let's say you make peak power at redline for this example of 8k. Say you rev it out to 9k and it starts to decrease to 475. 10k rpm and it's down to 450.
So what?
When you shift you fall back to 350whp, and build boost, and go back up to peak whp.
Making 450whp for another 1000 rpm instead of 500whp is going to be faster than shifting anytime.
Let's say you make peak power at redline for this example of 8k. Say you rev it out to 9k and it starts to decrease to 475. 10k rpm and it's down to 450.
So what?
When you shift you fall back to 350whp, and build boost, and go back up to peak whp.
Making 450whp for another 1000 rpm instead of 500whp is going to be faster than shifting anytime.
Originally Posted by *JG*,Feb 6 2011, 10:12 AM
Just interested as to why you want to rev so high? Like stated above the power usually drops off with these motors a good bit before 10,000. No use in putting that extra stress on the engine if it stops making power at lower rpms. Ask me how I know LOL!
I killed a b2ovtec turbo car trying to rev so high a couple years ago and it was filled with supertech stuff. Although when I got all my supertech valvetrain for my S I was told 10,500 would be no problem.
I killed a b2ovtec turbo car trying to rev so high a couple years ago and it was filled with supertech stuff. Although when I got all my supertech valvetrain for my S I was told 10,500 would be no problem.
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If you make 500 peak whp at 10k rpms, you'll be making less torque than a similar setup with 500 peak whp at 9k rpms. Less torque thus less cylinder pressure and less stress.
Originally Posted by D1sclaimer,Feb 6 2011, 09:04 PM
I was under the impression that making more power at a higher rpm has less stress on the engine as opposed to making the same power at a lower rpm. That is, as long as the rotating assembly is properly balanced and can rev that high.
Ex.
If you make 500 peak whp at 10k rpms, you'll be making less torque than a similar setup with 500 peak whp at 9k rpms. Less torque thus less cylinder pressure and less stress.
Ex.
If you make 500 peak whp at 10k rpms, you'll be making less torque than a similar setup with 500 peak whp at 9k rpms. Less torque thus less cylinder pressure and less stress.
Curious about engine stress though. Interested to hear what others say.
Originally Posted by DFWs2k,Feb 6 2011, 10:21 PM
I don't think torque is the right word in your example as torque can be derived from HP using a mathematical formula, and examining the formula shows that if HP is constant then tq will decrease as revs increase, so your example is just another way of saying that observation.
Curious about engine stress though. Interested to hear what others say.
Curious about engine stress though. Interested to hear what others say.







