My LoveFab experience
Registered User
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,216
Likes: 0
From: Springfield, VA
Originally Posted by kane.s2k,Sep 26 2006, 07:29 AM
You've had some serious issues but there's definately something wrong with your car. Breaking where you are on that mani is pretty abnormal. You must have some extremely high EGT's or it's all that sand baked onto your manifold and the rest of your engine bay.
Registered User
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 5,372
Likes: 0
From: The Beach, CA
:yawn:
The thermal diffusivity which is defined as:
alpha = (thermal conductivity)/(volumetric heat capacity)
thermal conductivity = WmK
Vol. Heat Cap. = Jm^3K
Sand when dry has a thermal diffusivity of 28. Stainless steel has 405. Engineering textbooks really help a lot in "arguements" like this
So to put it in simple terms - when you're at the beach and it's insanely hot on the surface of the sand but very cool just once you dig your toes in. It's because sand sucks at conducting heat. Or when you grab a nice hot cup of coffee and it's scolding hot inside the cup but it's cool enough to touch/hold on the outside....same thing. Though sand not as great as lets say air (which is a terrific insulator and why fiberglass insulation works so well - because they have air pockets in between) having a thermal conductivity of 0.025 W/mK, sand still can insulate a good deal.
It also hit me that you might think I said it in a sort of racial term...I'm brown.
The thermal diffusivity which is defined as:
alpha = (thermal conductivity)/(volumetric heat capacity)
thermal conductivity = WmK
Vol. Heat Cap. = Jm^3K
Sand when dry has a thermal diffusivity of 28. Stainless steel has 405. Engineering textbooks really help a lot in "arguements" like this
So to put it in simple terms - when you're at the beach and it's insanely hot on the surface of the sand but very cool just once you dig your toes in. It's because sand sucks at conducting heat. Or when you grab a nice hot cup of coffee and it's scolding hot inside the cup but it's cool enough to touch/hold on the outside....same thing. Though sand not as great as lets say air (which is a terrific insulator and why fiberglass insulation works so well - because they have air pockets in between) having a thermal conductivity of 0.025 W/mK, sand still can insulate a good deal.
It also hit me that you might think I said it in a sort of racial term...I'm brown.
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 11,244
Likes: 0
From: Raleigh, NC
I just read through your entire post, and I would just like to say in response to your comment about how lovefab customers may not have wanted to risk their reputation by posting about their problems in that I have always posted the GOOD and the BAD about my experiences with buying and installing my lovefab kit. Everytime someone asks about buying a lovefab kit I always tell them the problems that I had with the kit, but once you work out the kinks, and there definitely were some, its a good kit along with the fact that Cody offers great customer service. Hopefully your kit is finally problem free, but I now understand where you are coming from. I had several problems that came up during my install also along with some delays, but nothing as severe as you. BTW, i'm also still waiting for the install manual 
, but in other ways such as by staying on the phone with me for 2 hours to make a basemap for my newer EMS Cody really helped me out and I have to acknowledge that also. Overall, i'm happy with the kit, but if it was a little more bolt-on it would have been better, but then again, if you want truely bolt-on you should go with a SC'er.
, but in other ways such as by staying on the phone with me for 2 hours to make a basemap for my newer EMS Cody really helped me out and I have to acknowledge that also. Overall, i'm happy with the kit, but if it was a little more bolt-on it would have been better, but then again, if you want truely bolt-on you should go with a SC'er.
Registered User
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 5,372
Likes: 0
From: The Beach, CA
No need to delete, I already read it. And my answer is:
Yes, I am serious about the baked on sand part. I don't think it was realized in the design with the thickness of the collector piping. And the heat made the SS reach its fatigue. The downpipe hitting, I can't and wont give an excuse for that one at all. That's just a screw up.
Yes, I am serious about the baked on sand part. I don't think it was realized in the design with the thickness of the collector piping. And the heat made the SS reach its fatigue. The downpipe hitting, I can't and wont give an excuse for that one at all. That's just a screw up.
Registered User
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 3,170
Likes: 0
From: SLC, UT
ha ha...funny Kane...
We could go at this all day long but back on topic:
Products are always evolving and it's possible Lovefab's current product is as good as we all hope it is. Remember, this is the FIRST Lovefab kit sold...that being said, I think you're overdue for some sort of compensation because this is NOT what you signed up for when you bought the product. You had to get the car working and I don't think a pipe here and a manifold there covers 1/10th of the problems you seem to have had. Sending your car to Lovefab was never an option...
We could go at this all day long but back on topic:
Products are always evolving and it's possible Lovefab's current product is as good as we all hope it is. Remember, this is the FIRST Lovefab kit sold...that being said, I think you're overdue for some sort of compensation because this is NOT what you signed up for when you bought the product. You had to get the car working and I don't think a pipe here and a manifold there covers 1/10th of the problems you seem to have had. Sending your car to Lovefab was never an option...
