My supercharged story...
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Originally Posted by chairmnofthboard,Dec 29 2009, 10:08 AM
Couldn't have tapping the EMS caused the wires to move making contact and solving the problem? I've seen this before in different applications.
Not bashing, just making an observation.
Not bashing, just making an observation.
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From: Mount Juliet/Nashville
Is the installer licensed insured/bonded mechanic?
Does he have a business license that he operates under?
At this point im thinking refund the money. If he doesnt have a license or insurance/bonding he should stop installing before some gets hurt and he gets sued and the person thats hurt cant be compensated due to the lack of insurance.
If he operates under CAT license, church should be checking his "employees" work before he gets sued.
Just asking, maybe he has all these qualifications.
Does he have a business license that he operates under?
At this point im thinking refund the money. If he doesnt have a license or insurance/bonding he should stop installing before some gets hurt and he gets sued and the person thats hurt cant be compensated due to the lack of insurance.
If he operates under CAT license, church should be checking his "employees" work before he gets sued.
Just asking, maybe he has all these qualifications.
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Originally Posted by DYNOMIKE@AUTOWAVE,Dec 29 2009, 09:59 AM
First Off I would like to say is that this thread is out of control
here are the facts as I know because I am the one who did all the work on this car
1. The customer called us here at the shop informing us that he had just recently installed a Supercharger on his car and was hearing some noises coming from under the hood we said bring it in and we will listen to it
2. The customer was in route to our shop when the car died on the freeway he then got the car towed to our shop.
3. We inspected the car for the no start issue car had no fuel pressure and no spark. I then smacked the the AEM EMS directly on the box and the car fired right up indicating that there was a problem with the EMS.
4. Once the car started we noticed that the supercharger belt was horribly loose causing a bunch of noise. The belt was so loose that it had actually come off of the supercharger pulley half way
5. We took the SC off replaced the belt and inspected everything put everything to speck. there were missing bolts and loose bolts in places Leaky vtec valve seal where the old vtec seal had been used over again. Hoses were not routed correctly and Vacuum lines were rubbing on the accessory belt causing a vacuum leak.
6. Installed the new series two ems and got the car up and running and then tuned it.
I just want to clear up a few things regarding palmers post. This is in no way trying to bash anyone here I just wanted to get the facts straight as I am tired of hearing a bunch of here say on this thread.
We never said that the bolts fell out due to lack of lock washers and the integrity of the supercharger mounting 'IS' affected causing the SC bracket to have play in it if these bolts are not present and torqued
here are the facts as I know because I am the one who did all the work on this car
1. The customer called us here at the shop informing us that he had just recently installed a Supercharger on his car and was hearing some noises coming from under the hood we said bring it in and we will listen to it
2. The customer was in route to our shop when the car died on the freeway he then got the car towed to our shop.
3. We inspected the car for the no start issue car had no fuel pressure and no spark. I then smacked the the AEM EMS directly on the box and the car fired right up indicating that there was a problem with the EMS.
4. Once the car started we noticed that the supercharger belt was horribly loose causing a bunch of noise. The belt was so loose that it had actually come off of the supercharger pulley half way
5. We took the SC off replaced the belt and inspected everything put everything to speck. there were missing bolts and loose bolts in places Leaky vtec valve seal where the old vtec seal had been used over again. Hoses were not routed correctly and Vacuum lines were rubbing on the accessory belt causing a vacuum leak.
6. Installed the new series two ems and got the car up and running and then tuned it.
I just want to clear up a few things regarding palmers post. This is in no way trying to bash anyone here I just wanted to get the facts straight as I am tired of hearing a bunch of here say on this thread.
We never said that the bolts fell out due to lack of lock washers and the integrity of the supercharger mounting 'IS' affected causing the SC bracket to have play in it if these bolts are not present and torqued
Shane said maybe the botls were suspect. You dont know if the bolts stetched or were warn out from the previous install. So he just order new ones for the tensioner as well as the 10mm bolts with lock washers for the bottom 2 bolts direct from Vortech and that solved everything there.[/QUOTE]
he never told ryan the bolts were suspect on the tensioner all he said was the tension nut was left loose and we never ordered new bolts for the tensioner we simply just tightened the nut on the tensioner pulley as all of this hardware was in fine working order
This was not said, the alarm system we never questioned here. The EMS was what was suspected. Direct tapping on the EMS caused the car to studder and sometimes die and not restart. I have seen this in the past on the some different ecu's some times there is a bad solder joint in the ecu or a bad trace on the board typically do to someone that has soldered on the board before. We opened this ecu and didn't see any signs of water damage but what we did see was some crude solder connections of different resistors indicating that there was once a problem in this ecu. The reason why the ecu was suspect to water damage was the high amount of corrosion on the ecu plugs on the EMS. We felt that the ECU at this time needed to be replaced so we sold the customer and New AEM EMS and the problem was gone
[/QUOTE]Shane didnt agree with someone posting this kind of stuff and bad mouthing a shop before getting to the bottom of things. He had the same thing happen to him a while back about some motor he dropped in... i dont know the result of this issue but im sure you can find it on the boards.
Here at AUTOWAVE all of us as a whole hate talk forums because in most cases it always leads to someone getting bashed and bunch of flamers getting on board to just simply increase there post per day average. I have known Shawn for many years now and we have nothing but professionalism between the two of us. It is sad to see how this paned out and I do feel for Shawn and the guys at Church Automotive
3. as quoted 2 me by ryan you guys said it wasnt the ems, but now it is? which one is it going to be because i already know what the problem really was.
4. from the time of the sc being installed to it arriving at your shop i can honestly say that its a mystery the belt stayed tight all this time then was horribly loose. I suspect foul play or a freak incident as i know it was balls tight when it left here. not discrediting you
5. did you happen to see how the vtec mounting was modified from the previous owner? could that had contributed to the leak? Like i told the thread starter i would like to see pics of this as i think this who subject of hoses being routed incorrectly and rubbing to be blown out of proportion. I would like to see what you consider the incorrect way.
on the alarm system,
i wasnt directly targeting the alarm system, i was considering the wiring as a whole which did have issues. When you tap that older ems box which happens to be big, it hits a bunch of wires behind it. we know the ems works and have recieved it from the OP and its going to AEM to re-afirm if it works. I post the work order to show the results and what was done to clear this up. This ECU has been to AEM in the past for updates, there were never any components burnt out thou
IM DONE POSTING ON THIS ISSUE<
WAIT FOR THE OP TO GIVE YOU GUYS THE FINAL WERD
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Originally Posted by palmerblock,Dec 31 2009, 12:13 PM
SC Pulley------->Tensioner
Shane said maybe the botls were suspect. You dont know if the bolts stetched or were warn out from the previous install. So he just order new ones for the tensioner as well as the 10mm bolts with lock washers for the bottom 2 bolts direct from Vortech and that solved everything there.
Shane said maybe the botls were suspect. You dont know if the bolts stetched or were warn out from the previous install. So he just order new ones for the tensioner as well as the 10mm bolts with lock washers for the bottom 2 bolts direct from Vortech and that solved everything there.
This was not said, the alarm system we never questioned here. The EMS was what was suspected. Direct tapping on the EMS caused the car to studder and sometimes die and not restart. I have seen this in the past on the some different ecu's some times there is a bad solder joint in the ecu or a bad trace on the board typically do to someone that has soldered on the board before. We opened this ecu and didn't see any signs of water damage but what we did see was some crude solder connections of different resistors indicating that there was once a problem in this ecu. The reason why the ecu was suspect to water damage was the high amount of corrosion on the ecu plugs on the EMS. We felt that the ECU at this time needed to be replaced so we sold the customer and New AEM EMS and the problem was gone
[/QUOTE]Shane didnt agree with someone posting this kind of stuff and bad mouthing a shop before getting to the bottom of things. He had the same thing happen to him a while back about some motor he dropped in... i dont know the result of this issue but im sure you can find it on the boards.
3. as quoted 2 me by ryan you guys said it wasnt the ems, but now it is? which one is it going to be because i already know what the problem really was.
4. from the time of the sc being installed to it arriving at your shop i can honestly say that its a mystery the belt stayed tight all this time then was horribly loose. I suspect foul play or a freak incident as i know it was balls tight when it left here. not discrediting you
5. did you happen to see how the vtec mounting was modified from the previous owner? could that had contributed to the leak? Like i told the thread starter i would like to see pics of this as i think this who subject of hoses being routed incorrectly and rubbing to be blown out of proportion. I would like to see what you consider the incorrect way.
on the alarm system,
i wasnt directly targeting the alarm system, i was considering the wiring as a whole which did have issues. When you tap that older ems box which happens to be big, it hits a bunch of wires behind it. we know the ems works and have recieved it from the OP and its going to AEM to re-afirm if it works. I post the work order to show the results and what was done to clear this up. This ECU has been to AEM in the past for updates, there were never any components burnt out thou
IM DONE POSTING ON THIS ISSUE<
WAIT FOR THE OP TO GIVE YOU GUYS THE FINAL WERD [/QUOTE]
You need to relax.
Everyhting that was needed to be said has been said on both sides. Typing in bold letters sudjests nothing but whats not important.
Lets leave it at that and when the EMS gets back, I get my car dynoed, and we talk about the rest in person I will report what happenes and then case closed.
You didnt have to call Autowave and post everything on the internet to get them involved. They had nothing to do with the issue because its between you and me.
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Of course Autowave is involved, you brought them into the mix in the first place. There is nothing wrong with the Aem 1012 Ems that you purchased. I had that installed and working on my own car for a long period of time with no problems or issues.
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Originally Posted by VTECS2K,Jan 6 2010, 02:16 PM
Of course Autowave is involved, you brought them into the mix in the first place. There is nothing wrong with the Aem 1012 Ems that you purchased. I had that installed and working on my own car for a long period of time with no problems or issues.
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So let me get one thing straight. I drop off my car at Church Automotive to have something installed, it goes wrong, but that is ok but Church Automotive didn't do the install?? This is just bad business practice, plain and simple. I'm sure Shawn is a hell of a guy, just seems like he made a wrong decision by saying ok.