Oil Squirter Debate!
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Originally Posted by 05TurboS2k' timestamp='1335804310' post='21655748
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From above it sounds like the squirters can save you from melting a piston therefore oil squirters can prevent detonation? This is new info to me
From above it sounds like the squirters can save you from melting a piston therefore oil squirters can prevent detonation? This is new info to me
You're correct but preventing detonation is probably a stretch, though to a small degree yes. Mostly they just keep the wrist pin better lubed and cool the pistons to avoid melt down, consequently yes detonation would be a little safer too but they won't save you from an improper tune.
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Probably so, so I addressed it with the correct information regardless.
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I'd also like to know what shop you represent Mr E-peen. Want to make certain I never inadvertently do business with them.
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It happens. I don't let improper shit go and pretend it's fine so people get rather fired up defending their points and get personal about it. That's what happens when online motor builders get their feelings hurt I guess.
So I'm still here waiting along with the rest of everyone who knows they shouldn't be removed waiting to hear the BENEFIT of removing them.
All good.
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Originally Posted by efi2nr' timestamp='1335807826' post='21655994
That's what I thought
It wasn't an attack but I don't know who you are so I asked some qualifying questions because it was/is painfully obvous you don't have a experience building F or K series engine.
It wasn't an attack but I don't know who you are so I asked some qualifying questions because it was/is painfully obvous you don't have a experience building F or K series engine.
I'd also like to know what shop you represent Mr E-peen. Want to make certain I never inadvertently do business with them.
I FOUND THIS IN YOUR PROFILE THOUGH:
Engine rebuild advice pls
03 September 2009 - 10:16 AM
I don't really know much about engine rebuilds so I'm asking for recommendations. I currently have an AP1 (115k miles) with SoS stage 2 recently installed. During the dyno tune we found that the motor really needs to be rebuilt. Did compression and leak down, had losses in both areas.
I picked up a ProFlow head that should work ok (I hope) but I'm not really sure what to do about the bottom end. One thing I'm pretty sure on, I want to keep compression at 11:1. I don't intend to run more boost than I currently have (Approx 12psi) and don't want to kill my daily driving with a low compression build. I thought this might be a good chance to bump up displacement though by maybe doing an AP2 block? This is where I run out of knowledge, I don't even know if thats really possible or a good idea.
So, what do you suggest for rebuilding a motor for a S/C setup, daily driven but also track abused a few times per year.
Thanks,
J
^^^^ Seems you know jack shit on this topic but I'm happy to hear your $.02 thrown in anyway. You're getting upset because I actually demand people back up their ridiculous statements with real factual information? Silly you. What would you prefer? Me to say "oh removing the oil squirters, that's fine cuz they're forged n stuff yo!". I'm sure nobody would get bent out of shape about it but gee, what a benefit to this forum it'd be huh?
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This sounds like a "Tomayto" vs. "Tomahto" discussion going on here on oil squirters. I remember the same sort of discussions years ago for B series engines. I don't think there's a conclusive answer in terms of what's "better" without talking to a real engineer. Just because someone has built X engines doesn't mean they've been doing it "right" (kinda like the current drywaller for my basement that tells me he's been doing it 20 yrs (yet I'm correcting him on how to do some things) 
), but just because honda designed it the way they did (with the oem pistons) doesn't mean removing them is wrong.
Personally I've always been a fan of keeping them, as I prescribe to the notion that honda engineers aren't dumbies, but it's hard to prove either or without some real science (vs pure speculation on both sides). Cost is always a concern for production engines, and why saying "X comes with them but Y doesn't" isn't a fair comparison either.
), but just because honda designed it the way they did (with the oem pistons) doesn't mean removing them is wrong.Personally I've always been a fan of keeping them, as I prescribe to the notion that honda engineers aren't dumbies, but it's hard to prove either or without some real science (vs pure speculation on both sides). Cost is always a concern for production engines, and why saying "X comes with them but Y doesn't" isn't a fair comparison either.
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We never run them on cars with forged piston on B, K, or F series engines. 1. Helps maintain oil pressure 2. forged pistons are much stronger and don't need them 3. We don't want the added weight on the rotating assembly.
The guy in the other threads block did NOT fail do to squirters not being there. After 14 years of blocking them off we have never had a failure from it
The guy in the other threads block did NOT fail do to squirters not being there. After 14 years of blocking them off we have never had a failure from it
BUT MR EXPERT PLEASE EXPLAIN THE BIT ABOUT THE ROTATING ASSEMBLY ON OUR MOTOR. I want to hear about that.
Maintain oil pressure? That's nowhere near an issue on this motor either so please don't try to latch on to that. Even if you do, there's easy ways to increase pressure on this motor without doing that so again, don't go that sad route.
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This sounds like a "Tomayto" vs. "Tomahto" discussion going on here on oil squirters. I remember the same sort of discussions years ago for B series engines. I don't think there's a conclusive answer in terms of what's "better" without talking to a real engineer. Just because someone has built X engines doesn't mean they've been doing it "right" (kinda like the current drywaller for my basement that tells me he's been doing it 20 yrs (yet I'm correcting him on how to do some things) ), but just because honda designed it the way they did (with the oem pistons) doesn't mean removing them is wrong.
Personally I've always been a fan of keeping them, as I prescribe to the notion that honda engineers aren't dumbies, but it's hard to prove either or without some real science (vs pure speculation on both sides). Cost is always a concern for production engines, and why saying "X comes with them but Y doesn't" isn't a fair comparison either.
), but just because honda designed it the way they did (with the oem pistons) doesn't mean removing them is wrong.Personally I've always been a fan of keeping them, as I prescribe to the notion that honda engineers aren't dumbies, but it's hard to prove either or without some real science (vs pure speculation on both sides). Cost is always a concern for production engines, and why saying "X comes with them but Y doesn't" isn't a fair comparison either.
That's pretty fair and unbiased. But why remove them if we can't be sure how much they help? They certainly don't hurt right? I believe the engineers put them there for a reason, they knew even with forged internals this motor would be driven hard and they aid in lowering heat a bit. To see people SOOO aggressively defend removing them seems a bit ridiculous does it not?
