I BLAME it on the tune too but that's not the point, the point is the squirters could have gave it that extra edge to stay alive. You can always grind the piston away slightly as well as bend a little. Balance is my worry when you grind away excessive amounts but I think this amount is fine.



EDIT> There's a good pic above LOL Should have read further before this post.

 

How many of you speculating actual build engines for a living? We have built 15 or more Honda engines a year for 14 years now and I can tell you from years of experience, once you go to a good forged piston you don't need the squirters. We have been plugging the squirters for years now and never had a failure because of it. You guys do realize most engines don't come with squirters right? Hell just look at the K series, some blocks have squirters and some don't yet we have seen 300,000+ miles out of both.

 

From above it sounds like the squirters can save you from melting a piston therefore oil squirters can prevent detonation? This is new info to me

 

You realize most engines don't get ran the way an S2000 engine does though right? Have to be fair there. The K series wasn't meant to be ran as hard either.

I don't doubt it can function without em but WHY are you removing them on F20/22c when we know for a fact they are beneficial?

Again, like lug nuts, I'm sure you can drive even a track day with one missing but.......... I wouldn't.

 

You're correct but preventing detonation is probably a stretch, though to a small degree yes. Mostly they just keep the wrist pin better lubed and cool the pistons to avoid melt down, consequently yes detonation would be a little safer too but they won't save you from an improper tune.

 

What I "realize" is you have very little experience with K series and I am doughting you have much experience with building high HP F series ether. Ever built an F or K series with a 103 or 106mm crank? Can you post some of the builds YOU have done that you are deriving your opinions from? Again we build a lot of engines and have NEVER had one fail or under perform in any way do to no squirters. Analogies are cute but they aren't facts

 

What I "realize" is you have very little experience with K series and I am doughting you have much experience with building high HP F series ether. Ever built an F or K series with a 103 or 106mm crank? Can you post some of the builds YOU have done that you are deriving your opinions from? Again we build a lot of engines and have NEVER had one fail or under perform in any way do to no squirters. Analogies are cute but they aren't facts
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It's "doubting" for starters not doughting, I'll hope that was a typo.

I don't have a reason to build the F series out with parts you specify as I prefer stock dimensions and boost to solve hp issues. As for my experience with the K series, it includes only K20/24 hybrids, I'm generally not into rice builds. There's only a few Japanese imports I'm interested in, also none are FWD.

I've no problem putting together a 1000hp F20/22 however nor a 1800hp 427 Ford motor. Majority of my builds as far as qty are on motorcycle (off road and on road) engines, probably in the ball park of a hundred or so motors, enough to have a little experience of what works and an application that is VERY high hp/liter ratio. I've a bit of experience with some more exotic motorcycle builds, hill climb stuff on 100% nitro using Harley motors and some landspeed stuff as well though those applications are pretty specific and most applies to little else.

I never said your engines have failed, nor that they WILL fail, it's fun to see how many people try to put words in another persons' mouth. I'm also not doubting your build quality or consistency.

Also, note how you've made this into a personal attack?

For me I know that removing the factory oil squirters HAS NO BENEFIT only potential problems thus it is silly as all they will do is help if anything.

 

That's what I thought

It wasn't an attack but I don't know who you are so I asked some qualifying questions because it was/is painfully obvous you don't have a experience building F or K series engine.

 

Pretty sure he was being facetious, Greg

 

No, it was, you amde it quite personal.

Do you have a name I should know? Or are you just the best internet engine builder alive?

So AGAIN, instead of running your mouth, please explain why you remove the squirters on this motor other than just plain being lazy.


NOBODY has given a good reason in this entire thread.