So I want boost..
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honestly if your gonna go super charger, def consider the kraftworks, that set up u have there is nice but u will lose a little boost with the front mount, also kraftworks uses hondata, crapping on e manage, good luck
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From: Selma, TX
Originally Posted by passmans2kny,Mar 14 2008, 09:38 AM
honestly if your gonna go super charger, def consider the kraftworks, that set up u have there is nice but u will lose a little boost with the front mount, also kraftworks uses hondata, crapping on e manage, good luck
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From: Austin
Originally Posted by rnye,Mar 14 2008, 07:48 AM
I appreciate all your responses guys. I'm still in the market research phase, and I think I'm getting closer to what I want.
How does this setup sound?
-CTSC
-RC Injectors
-Greddy Emanage Ultimate
-FMIC
-Smaller pulley (9psi)
Initial install - CTSC/AF, stock (7psi?)
Later down the line add injectors, e-manage, fmic... what do ya'll think? Sorry I'm such a noob - just want to get a plan in place - soon I'll be in the boosted club!
How does this setup sound?
-CTSC
-RC Injectors
-Greddy Emanage Ultimate
-FMIC
-Smaller pulley (9psi)
Initial install - CTSC/AF, stock (7psi?)
Later down the line add injectors, e-manage, fmic... what do ya'll think? Sorry I'm such a noob - just want to get a plan in place - soon I'll be in the boosted club!
P.S. I'd be over $5k even if I hadn't paid for installation.
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From: PDX west
Originally Posted by CourageOO7,Mar 13 2008, 11:05 PM
Man, coming from stock you'll be so happy with any boosted setup that all this talk is hot air. Once you get up and going, enjoy the car for a while and then start thinking about the next steps.
For everyone saying that the Greddy turbo kit will stomp the Comptech (or Vortech SC)...go buy the Greddy kit and attempt to come anywhere near 350whp and let me know how it goes. At least an SC gives you the headroom to consider more power...and reliable all day long, too. The Greddy is out of wind at 7psi...
Buddy, if you go turbo save up a little more money and buy yourself a nice cheap & reliable kit like the Inline kit and the turbo of your choice. While you're saving the money, read all about how to tune your car and you'll have taught yourself a skill you can take to future projects.
The Greddy kit MIGHT be faster than a stock SC kit but it doesn't have any headroom for improvement. That's okay if you honestly believe you don't want to go any further ~300whp. CTSC kits get bashed by these guys all day long but is dead on reliable and will give you 80% of the performance of a nice turbo setup without many of the troubleshooting headaches...but it is ultimately an inferior forced induction route in terms of power and torque output.
I don't know how Comptech got a bad name around here but I am very pleased with my higher boost setup. The smaller pulley gave me some extra low end grunt (nothing like a turbo obviously, but better than the stock Comptech setup) and it's a kick in the pants...by anyone's standards.
Lastly, another option that appears to be materializing is the Kraftwerks supercharger setup. It's a rotrex setup that doesn't appear to have the same compromises as one of the centrifugal SC setups...it looks a bit pricey but it's an all-in-one solution that I believe will grow in popularity because there's no need for customized tuning. Personally, if the car is a street car that you simply want to make angry, I would save up for an Inline turbo kit and start reading about all the electronic fuel injection tuning you can get your hands on so that you're ready when the day comes.
For everyone saying that the Greddy turbo kit will stomp the Comptech (or Vortech SC)...go buy the Greddy kit and attempt to come anywhere near 350whp and let me know how it goes. At least an SC gives you the headroom to consider more power...and reliable all day long, too. The Greddy is out of wind at 7psi...
Buddy, if you go turbo save up a little more money and buy yourself a nice cheap & reliable kit like the Inline kit and the turbo of your choice. While you're saving the money, read all about how to tune your car and you'll have taught yourself a skill you can take to future projects.
The Greddy kit MIGHT be faster than a stock SC kit but it doesn't have any headroom for improvement. That's okay if you honestly believe you don't want to go any further ~300whp. CTSC kits get bashed by these guys all day long but is dead on reliable and will give you 80% of the performance of a nice turbo setup without many of the troubleshooting headaches...but it is ultimately an inferior forced induction route in terms of power and torque output.
I don't know how Comptech got a bad name around here but I am very pleased with my higher boost setup. The smaller pulley gave me some extra low end grunt (nothing like a turbo obviously, but better than the stock Comptech setup) and it's a kick in the pants...by anyone's standards.
Lastly, another option that appears to be materializing is the Kraftwerks supercharger setup. It's a rotrex setup that doesn't appear to have the same compromises as one of the centrifugal SC setups...it looks a bit pricey but it's an all-in-one solution that I believe will grow in popularity because there's no need for customized tuning. Personally, if the car is a street car that you simply want to make angry, I would save up for an Inline turbo kit and start reading about all the electronic fuel injection tuning you can get your hands on so that you're ready when the day comes.
I agree, if you want 350whp+, don't start with a Greddy kit, that is not its design.
I'm at 330whp (Dynojet) with the Greddy, have been for 4 months now on a daily driver. The same setup did 299 on a Mustang dyno, which is correct. It DOES run faster than centrifugal SC at a given peak power, the power curve is completely different. I'd say my car feels closer to a Vortech with 4.56's.
Should be able to add 10-20whp once I adjust the upper rpm AFR - that IS 350whp, and that should be pretty much maxed out. I suppose I could go the HG route later, which would be cheap. It looks easy to install, but I'm coming from a background of growing up with master mechanic - I rebuilt my first tranny, a 2-speed (thats right, 2 speed) Turboglide before I could drive.
Actually I'm not interested in the peak whp number I post - I rarely drive the car above 8500rpms, nor do I drag race.
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I would say for 5K you can have a turbo or a supercharger, but be ready to spend another 5K on a motor if something goes wrong, or anything else that might break like suspension components etc... Remember forced induction is never plug and play and is not cheap. I had a limit set at about 7K I think I am at about 10-12K and still going hahah. I think you should save up more and for those power goals get a turbo. I say if anything get a good engine management and an awesome tuner! Good luck.
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All I can tell someone when going Forced Induction...you have to pay to play. NEVER and I mean NEVER CHEAP out on forced induction. modifying an s2k exterior wise is one thing but to modify it performance is a different story.
It took me almost a good two years before I went supercharged and thats because I researched and read and read online. I knew my goals and stuck with them.
Im currently CTSC w/AC about to go 10psi. This is the most I am doing on a supercharger. For me, this was an introduction for being forced induction..my next step hopefully next year will be turbo.
AToice and I have talked plenty of times on PM's about this. He is the one who convinced me to go 10psi..lol.
Good Luck..bc once you get the boost bug..you wont stop..
All I can tell someone when going Forced Induction...you have to pay to play. NEVER and I mean NEVER CHEAP out on forced induction. modifying an s2k exterior wise is one thing but to modify it performance is a different story.
It took me almost a good two years before I went supercharged and thats because I researched and read and read online. I knew my goals and stuck with them.
Im currently CTSC w/AC about to go 10psi. This is the most I am doing on a supercharger. For me, this was an introduction for being forced induction..my next step hopefully next year will be turbo.
AToice and I have talked plenty of times on PM's about this. He is the one who convinced me to go 10psi..lol.
Good Luck..bc once you get the boost bug..you wont stop..
Going turbo next year---wow..you on crack! I love it!
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I would go turbo, piece the kit together yourself if you honestly want quality and a low cost.
I've seen cheap t3/t4s and such on the net used for dirt cheap. Inspect the turbo make sure its in good shape, or have someone else check it out for you. Then use the RevHard larger greddy piping. The spearco intercooler. Run whatever ECU/EMS you want to that you can find cheap. Throw some RC750cc injectors in as they cost the same despite size (99 bux or less each). Then get a cast manifold and downpipe from someone perhaps used as well. Grab some BKR7E plugs for less then 10 dollars. You need to relocate oil bla bla but its still not all that bad. I know Ive heard people claim they went turbo for under 3,000 doing this. Someone did a thread on it when I first joined, or a little after. I think if you showed some patients you got a good chance for what you need.
I know on a canyon run 2 weeks ago swift_azn totaled his car ...hes got a greddy kit. I bet it might be for sale. His frame was reallllly bad up front, He'd need a new front clip to keep from it being a tottal loss I think. Maybe ask him if hes parting out. Perhaps get some parts from there....and some other parts from otehr places
SEARCH/SHOP be patient
-Greg
I've seen cheap t3/t4s and such on the net used for dirt cheap. Inspect the turbo make sure its in good shape, or have someone else check it out for you. Then use the RevHard larger greddy piping. The spearco intercooler. Run whatever ECU/EMS you want to that you can find cheap. Throw some RC750cc injectors in as they cost the same despite size (99 bux or less each). Then get a cast manifold and downpipe from someone perhaps used as well. Grab some BKR7E plugs for less then 10 dollars. You need to relocate oil bla bla but its still not all that bad. I know Ive heard people claim they went turbo for under 3,000 doing this. Someone did a thread on it when I first joined, or a little after. I think if you showed some patients you got a good chance for what you need.
I know on a canyon run 2 weeks ago swift_azn totaled his car ...hes got a greddy kit. I bet it might be for sale. His frame was reallllly bad up front, He'd need a new front clip to keep from it being a tottal loss I think. Maybe ask him if hes parting out. Perhaps get some parts from there....and some other parts from otehr places
SEARCH/SHOP be patient
-Greg
