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Old Sep 13, 2010 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by AFs2k,Sep 13 2010, 07:26 AM
You have better gas than we do, that may be why you think it's cool to run a 12 and up.
while i agree he is aiming to lean for a FI setup that is daily driven, there gas is not better then are gas based on the octane rating your seeing.

98 RON is like 93 AKI. we run 93 AKI in the US, which is kinda like 98 RON, which there gas is rated in. AKI is average of (RON+MON)/2 which is the equation you see on the gas pump while you pump your gas

Generally, octane ratings are higher in Europe than they are in North America and most other parts of the world. This is especially true when comparing the lowest available octane level in each country. In many parts of Europe, 95 RON (90-91 AKI) is the minimum available standard, with 97/98 RON being higher specification (being called Super Unleaded). The higher rating seen in Europe is an artifact of a different underlying measuring procedure. In most countries (including all of Europe and Australia) the "headline" octane that would be shown on the pump is the RON, but in Canada, the United States and some other countries the headline number is the average of the RON and the MON, sometimes called the Anti-Knock Index (AKI), Road Octane Number (RdON), Pump Octane Number (PON), or (R+M)/2. Because of the 8 to 10 point difference noted above, this means that the octane in the United States will be about 4 to 5 points lower than the same fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel, the "regular" gasoline in Canada and the US, would be 91-92 in Europe. However most European pumps deliver 95 (RON) as "regular", equivalent to 90–91 US AKI=(R+M)/2, and deliver 98, 99 or 100 (RON) (93-94 AKI) labeled as Super Unleaded - thus regular petrol sold in much of Europe corresponds to premium sold in the United States
decent explanation of it stolen from another website.
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Old Sep 13, 2010 | 06:53 AM
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I think the better question is, "What should my lambda be?"
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Old Sep 13, 2010 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by AFs2k,Sep 13 2010, 12:26 PM
Yeah, cause his original post says how much boost he's running. As you can see that's what I replied to... All it says is he's on an UNTUNED CT supercharger.

Are you speaking from experience i.e. what you see on your gauge? You have better gas than we do, that may be why you think it's cool to run a 12 and up. Here in the states we have crap gas... 11 is where it should be.

thanks anyways.
I speak from experience on a dyno where i tuned my own car, my car is running 7psi CTSC+AC with a few bolt on's, this was on 99RON.

Actually i should have said 12.4 AFR max before vtec then 12.2 AFR max in vtec. In the 11's its very safe but not optimal in my case, 12.2 is safe.

Will it blow up/melt pistons i think not esp since its been running this AFR for a long time.

Personal preference at the end of the day, there is nothing wrong with those figures on a low boosted car esp my setup, where i witnessed no knock. On a track, higher boost, turbo then yes i would be running it in the 11's.
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Old Sep 13, 2010 | 09:44 AM
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sorry I meant it the other way around, 93US(AKI) is the equivalent of 98EU(RON), but in Greece where I am situated, you can get hold of 95RON and 100RON, and hence you get the 100RON (I doubt that it is actually 100 but thats what its called anyway...)
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Old Sep 13, 2010 | 10:53 AM
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Every car is different given supporting modifications, quality of gas, and environmental conditions.

Start at 11.5 and then have your tuner adjust as appropriate for maximal TQ/HP all while watching knock voltage and EGT.


Personally I have my supercharger at 12.2 and am actually adding timing in boost and my EGT are 50-100C below what they were NA to obtain maximal TQ at all RPM points.
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Old Sep 13, 2010 | 02:28 PM
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Where I live I can only get 91 on an average day, 93 if I drive for it... crap gas.
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