Who's looking to get into nitrous?
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Originally Posted by street_ruler,Feb 14 2010, 05:38 PM
nitrous is considered forced indiction.
nitrous loves high compression where as boost really doesnt. just remember that nitrous comes on like a sledge hammer. thats why motors blow. the sudden change. if you can use something like a jacobs mastermind then you are in the clear. if not, be aware of what shot you are using.
nitrous loves high compression where as boost really doesnt. just remember that nitrous comes on like a sledge hammer. thats why motors blow. the sudden change. if you can use something like a jacobs mastermind then you are in the clear. if not, be aware of what shot you are using.
CAN YOU ALSO EXPLAIN TO ME WHY NITROUS IS NOT SAFE??
IF YOU CANT ITS TOTALLY FINE WITH ME, I UNDERSTAND.
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This is why LS1 tech is better for nitrous questions. Thats where I learned alot of stuff since most info on Honda sites is incorrect and skewed.
To answer the OPs question, I would say at max, an 80 shot unless you're running race gas. Even then, a higher shot isn't safe without a proper tune. You might have a lean spike or other problems.
I never got why people think you can run more on a direct port setup anyways. Thats only if you have fueling issues. Timing wise, its gonna be the same as a single fogger setup. Since we're decently high compression and if you're on the stock ECU only, I wouldn't go too crazy without a proper tune.
I'm hoping to run a 125 dry shot with race gas before I throw my turbo on. Before my clutch went to poop last year, I tuned myself for a 90 shot and I pulled a decent amount of timing(5 degrees) just for that since I'm on 91 premium gas. The AEM 1052 has many many features that you can use to help tune your car with nitrous. I would suggest getting that if you want to get greedy and tune for a higher shot.
To answer the OPs question, I would say at max, an 80 shot unless you're running race gas. Even then, a higher shot isn't safe without a proper tune. You might have a lean spike or other problems.
I never got why people think you can run more on a direct port setup anyways. Thats only if you have fueling issues. Timing wise, its gonna be the same as a single fogger setup. Since we're decently high compression and if you're on the stock ECU only, I wouldn't go too crazy without a proper tune.
I'm hoping to run a 125 dry shot with race gas before I throw my turbo on. Before my clutch went to poop last year, I tuned myself for a 90 shot and I pulled a decent amount of timing(5 degrees) just for that since I'm on 91 premium gas. The AEM 1052 has many many features that you can use to help tune your car with nitrous. I would suggest getting that if you want to get greedy and tune for a higher shot.
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The reason direct port is safer is because:
*The factory intake was not designed to carry both air and fuel.
*Single fogger systems do not atomize the fuel and air as evenly as direct port.
*Direct port is more consistent and even across all cylinders.
*You can fine tune one fogger if for some reason that cylinder is running leaner/richer
Direct port is really the way to go for bigger shots.
*The factory intake was not designed to carry both air and fuel.
*Single fogger systems do not atomize the fuel and air as evenly as direct port.
*Direct port is more consistent and even across all cylinders.
*You can fine tune one fogger if for some reason that cylinder is running leaner/richer
Direct port is really the way to go for bigger shots.
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Originally Posted by chairmnofthboard,Feb 15 2010, 04:30 PM
The reason direct port is safer is because:
*The factory intake was not designed to carry both air and fuel.
*Single fogger systems do not atomize the fuel and air as evenly as direct port.
*Direct port is more consistent and even across all cylinders.
*You can fine tune one fogger if for some reason that cylinder is running leaner/richer
Direct port is really the way to go for bigger shots.
*The factory intake was not designed to carry both air and fuel.
*Single fogger systems do not atomize the fuel and air as evenly as direct port.
*Direct port is more consistent and even across all cylinders.
*You can fine tune one fogger if for some reason that cylinder is running leaner/richer
Direct port is really the way to go for bigger shots.
And for the fourth point, this always gets brought up for fine tuning for each cylinder. I've never known anyone or heard of anyone who actually changed the jets in just one of their nozzles. If your engine is running like it should, all cylinders will uses the same amount of fuel and nitrous and shouldn't need to be fine tuned more. I mean, why would 1 cylinder need more nitrous than another? If you want to adjust fuel for each cylinder, are you really gonna install a wideband into each individual exhaust header pipe to see if they're the same? I really don't think anyone who is asking if a 100 shot is safe is gonna take the time to do that. They're just gonna run all nozzles with the same jets. That takes care of the 4th point.
For higher shots, like 125 and higher(maybe 100+ for Hondas), I would agree that direct port wet is the best idea to prevent pooling if you want to stay wet. A single fogger dry shot can support alot more safely than a single fogger wet nozzle due to the fuel weighing things down and wet doesn't distribute as evenly as dry.
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I agreed with you to an extent and conceded on some of the points. You quoted me on an earlier post in which my last post was consistent with. The point of the earlier post is that you don't need direct port unless you have fueling issues such as a good lean spike, or improper atomization to each cylinder which you would get from running a higher shot. That first post was referring to a car that is only tuned with nitrous jets. Your timing will need to be adjusted and if its stock timing, direct port isn't gonna allow you to run more nitrous.
We both have our own views that work for each of us so thats that.
We both have our own views that work for each of us so thats that.
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Originally Posted by s2k21,Mar 8 2010, 03:48 PM
So the 100 shot dry, is moderatly safe on a stock ecu...
im about to pull the trigger on a kit....
im about to pull the trigger on a kit....