All Motor S2k With Itb's
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topfuel,
People on this board are understandably sceptical for a couple of reasons:
Firstly, it has been incredibly difficult to get any decent gains going NA and secondly, you have a rather unorthodox way of modifying your car - i.e. ignoring everything single piece of mechanical information on this board.
If you are getting awesome gains, good on you. Personally I don't care about gains on the dyno - I just want to hear the darn thing! makes my spine tingle just thinking about it.
People on this board are understandably sceptical for a couple of reasons:
Firstly, it has been incredibly difficult to get any decent gains going NA and secondly, you have a rather unorthodox way of modifying your car - i.e. ignoring everything single piece of mechanical information on this board.
If you are getting awesome gains, good on you. Personally I don't care about gains on the dyno - I just want to hear the darn thing! makes my spine tingle just thinking about it.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by realthing
topfuel,
People on this board are understandably sceptical for a couple of reasons:
Firstly, it has been incredibly difficult to get any decent gains going NA and secondly, you have a rather unorthodox way of modifying your car - i.e. ignoring everything single piece of mechanical information on this board.
If you are getting awesome gains, good on you. Personally I don't care about gains on the dyno - I just want to hear the darn
topfuel,
People on this board are understandably sceptical for a couple of reasons:
Firstly, it has been incredibly difficult to get any decent gains going NA and secondly, you have a rather unorthodox way of modifying your car - i.e. ignoring everything single piece of mechanical information on this board.
If you are getting awesome gains, good on you. Personally I don't care about gains on the dyno - I just want to hear the darn
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Originally posted by topfuel
I showed Mr Kekoa my motor and i gave him a ride in it also
He will let guy's know how the car felt and looked.
He also toke some pic's so no one think's i'm bullshitting
Today 11/5/03
Thanks Kekoa , POWER S2000
I showed Mr Kekoa my motor and i gave him a ride in it also
He will let guy's know how the car felt and looked.
He also toke some pic's so no one think's i'm bullshitting
Today 11/5/03
Thanks Kekoa , POWER S2000
http://forums.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.p...threadid=161087
Art, add anything I missed man and nice meeting you.
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Originally posted by alexf20c
more direct airflow. also, a cleaner, more direct path for the air/fuel mixture to get into the engine. without FI, the air/fuel mixture is relying solely on the vacuum created inside the engine every time the piston travels from TDC to BDC. there is no force pushing it into the engine. with an ITB setup, you bypass the restrictions and turbulence created by all the piping, etc.
also, you have direct port injection, for greater efficiency.
but what it all boils down to is getting more air into the engine. if an engine has 100% volumetric efficiency, it means that the air it sucks in is 100% that of the volume of that cylinder. (an engine is nothing more than a giant air pump.) with an ITB setup, the venturi stacks (horns) create a swirl effect that pressurizes the air before it gets into the engine. by pressurizing the air, you get more air into a specific volume; basically, you're condensing the air. this way, it's possible to have as high as 135, or even 150% volumetric efficieny.
with an all-motor engine, you want as much air as possible.
more direct airflow. also, a cleaner, more direct path for the air/fuel mixture to get into the engine. without FI, the air/fuel mixture is relying solely on the vacuum created inside the engine every time the piston travels from TDC to BDC. there is no force pushing it into the engine. with an ITB setup, you bypass the restrictions and turbulence created by all the piping, etc.
also, you have direct port injection, for greater efficiency.
but what it all boils down to is getting more air into the engine. if an engine has 100% volumetric efficiency, it means that the air it sucks in is 100% that of the volume of that cylinder. (an engine is nothing more than a giant air pump.) with an ITB setup, the venturi stacks (horns) create a swirl effect that pressurizes the air before it gets into the engine. by pressurizing the air, you get more air into a specific volume; basically, you're condensing the air. this way, it's possible to have as high as 135, or even 150% volumetric efficieny.
with an all-motor engine, you want as much air as possible.
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topfuel - thanks for stepping up and showing that you have ITBs. I am very skeptical of your numbers though. 235rwhp on a dynojet? That's really high, the fact that you street raced with an M3, doesn't impress me. The 4.77s a good driver against a decent driver will net you similar results. Judging by your mods, you are basically telling me that your ITB and tuning on an AEM EMS netted you 30rwhp.
alexf20c - when will people learn? Trust me dude you don't have anything near 248rwhp on a dynojet.
alexf20c - when will people learn? Trust me dude you don't have anything near 248rwhp on a dynojet.
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That item has been on spoon's site for about 3 years now. No one has ever been able to get one. Everytime Spoon has been asked about it, they've stated it was never massed produced. The only set they made lost power. We've had every sponsor of this board at one time or another offer a GB to find out it was vaporware. Everytime someone has brought it up saying they could get ahold of one, they've either never posted again or said they were wrong. Until someone has one in hand with a box and receipt saying it's a Spoon Cam for an F20C, no one will believe it. Search through the threads, you'll see what I mean.
