My Dead S2k :(
Originally Posted by 1AP12NV,Jun 29 2006, 07:04 AM
I wasn't there of course, but I am sure the ticket was issued due to the fact that even though you were obeying the speed limit, the speed at which you were traveling was too fast for the conditions given the ridiculous amounts of rain and flodding that we've had in this area of late. Don't get me wrong, I'm not chastising you, we all make mistakes (god knows I have
). I'm just saying that 65 was too fast to be driving under conditions where there was enough rain on the road to hydroplane, hence the ticket.
). I'm just saying that 65 was too fast to be driving under conditions where there was enough rain on the road to hydroplane, hence the ticket.
and I completely see your point. However, I still feel like this type of ticket is pure
. I can certainly see a ticket being issued where a person made a purposeful decision to break a law which resulted in a crash (speeding, drunk driving, etc.). I can almost see a ticket being issued if another party suffered injury and/or property damage, thus ensuring that the person at fault will go through a process to correct the situation.But in cases like this...
1) No laws were broken.
2) No other parties suffered injury/property damage.
Issuing a ticket is just insulting. What purpose does it have? The person obviously made a mistake that is already going to cost them dearly. In this case it was extensive property damage and it had very good potential for serious injury. Is that not enough to teach a person that a mistake was made? Is a $100 fine on top of all that going to change the person's learning?
It smells of pure revenue to me. Who can argue against a ticket for "too fast for conditions" when the car is in the ditch. The sad part is, while a government agency is going to take a few bucks just because, the insurance company is going to raise rates for the points added (on top of any rate increases for the accident), and their decision about rate increases based on the accident could change depending on whether a ticket was issued.

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Sorry for the rant. That's just my opinion, despite that I've never received a ticket like that.
1AP12NV, please don't take this is an attack toward you. Again, I agree with your statement, I just personally do not agree with the logic for the ticket in the first place.

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OP. I'm certainly glad you're okay.
Originally Posted by Naturul,Jun 28 2006, 12:49 AM
Yup the whole car is stock. Not sure if they were replaced or whatever, they passed inspection back in march. That's what the prior owner said. The state trooper said one of my rear tires in the back was losing tread, but just in the middle. I also got a ticket, Driving too fast for conditions. He said he will be in court and try to get it reduced to Improper Driving.
please explain to me why the tropper would write you up for Driving too fast for conditions and then come to court to try and reduce it to Improper Driving
why wouldn't he just write you up for that to begin with??
Well it sgood you are safe since thats whats most important.
After that, however, we should all offer a moment of silence to one of our fallen S2000s....it paisn the heart to see another one of them meet their demise
After that, however, we should all offer a moment of silence to one of our fallen S2000s....it paisn the heart to see another one of them meet their demise
You could wrap the roll-cage with some thick foam in the areas where its around your head. And driving around with a helmet doesn't sound like too bad of an idea now
. But regardless, I'm surpirsed how well the s2k's soft-top holds up in roll-overs.....like seriously.
. But regardless, I'm surpirsed how well the s2k's soft-top holds up in roll-overs.....like seriously.
Originally Posted by 00CivicSi,Jun 29 2006, 04:51 PM
and I completely see your point. However, I still feel like this type of ticket is pure
. I can certainly see a ticket being issued where a person made a purposeful decision to break a law which resulted in a crash (speeding, drunk driving, etc.). I can almost see a ticket being issued if another party suffered injury and/or property damage, thus ensuring that the person at fault will go through a process to correct the situation.But in cases like this...
1) No laws were broken.
2) No other parties suffered injury/property damage.
Issuing a ticket is just insulting. What purpose does it have? The person obviously made a mistake that is already going to cost them dearly. In this case it was extensive property damage and it had very good potential for serious injury. Is that not enough to teach a person that a mistake was made? Is a $100 fine on top of all that going to change the person's learning?
It smells of pure revenue to me. Who can argue against a ticket for "too fast for conditions" when the car is in the ditch. The sad part is, while a government agency is going to take a few bucks just because, the insurance company is going to raise rates for the points added (on top of any rate increases for the accident), and their decision about rate increases based on the accident could change depending on whether a ticket was issued.

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Sorry for the rant. That's just my opinion, despite that I've never received a ticket like that.
1AP12NV, please don't take this is an attack toward you. Again, I agree with your statement, I just personally do not agree with the logic for the ticket in the first place.

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OP. I'm certainly glad you're okay.
You make a very good point and I'm inclined to agree. In a situation where there is no damage to anyone's property / person except for the driver, then it does smack of revenue making.In this particular case, I'm sure the insurance hike as a result of his accident and the trauma of werecking his new ride and almost hurting himself would be more than enough incentive to keep speeds down in wet conditions in the future, so I don't see how the ticket could be acting as a deterrent either.
Good points, and I think
All that aside though, the important thing is that you're ok and that you come away from the incident having learned something!!
-J
i'd say you're probably lucky you had a muddy/grassy landing.
i totalled my S last year and my biggest injury was to my head from the metal bar that raises and lowers the soft top (top was up when i wrecked)...so maybe we all should be wearing helmets..
as far as you needing another S...there are plenty in the for sale forum..good luck and careful in the rain!
--oh...and pretty impressive you didn't stall!!!
i totalled my S last year and my biggest injury was to my head from the metal bar that raises and lowers the soft top (top was up when i wrecked)...so maybe we all should be wearing helmets..
as far as you needing another S...there are plenty in the for sale forum..good luck and careful in the rain!
--oh...and pretty impressive you didn't stall!!!
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