STRONG WINGS!
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Originally Posted by termigni,May 19 2010, 08:14 AM
Ferrari 430 is a good example here. It gets about 350 lbs of downforce at the speed of 180mph. Ferrari decided it is good enough downforce for it's V8 car so it didn't offer any of those outrageous Wings.
If this kind of strength is necessary, I wonder why F1 don't use such a thing.
I know what downforce is. Do you know what overkill is?
If this kind of strength is necessary, I wonder why F1 don't use such a thing.
I know what downforce is. Do you know what overkill is?
F1 is always a compromise of weight/strength. They run everything at the razors edge of failure to get a competitive advantage. You can't compare any form of motor sport or any component to something in F1.
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Originally Posted by modMonkey,May 18 2010, 11:46 PM
Well, a Voltex wing will cost your about $1500, and will not come anywhere near doing that. This is a motorsport grade wing for cars expecting to produce a few hundred pounds of downforce. It would suck to have your wing break and your car snap at speed (like the STi). The picture shown looks like a static wing though.
Ev, I think you might be off with the pricing (or maybe its application specific). The price you quoted seems closer to the price of the active wing. The static wing is about half that price. Without upgrades, it gives Voltex a run for its money.
The Aeromotions dynamic wing just blows my mind. I can't wait to see them utilized in Time Attack. It's only a matter of time (no pun intended).
Edit: I totally forgot. The AMS EVO X uses this wing.
Ev, I think you might be off with the pricing (or maybe its application specific). The price you quoted seems closer to the price of the active wing. The static wing is about half that price. Without upgrades, it gives Voltex a run for its money.
The Aeromotions dynamic wing just blows my mind. I can't wait to see them utilized in Time Attack. It's only a matter of time (no pun intended).
Edit: I totally forgot. The AMS EVO X uses this wing.
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Originally Posted by tunerjetta29,May 19 2010, 08:55 AM
Im missing your point obviously. If a car can naturally generate the amount of downforce they need without wings then great. If it cant then you are going to need to run some sort of aero work to generate downforce. in which case you want aero parts that are going to hold up to the forces that will be applied to them (unlike a certain STI wing we have all seen). If you plan to get 350 lbs of downforce like your ferrari has then I would assume you want a wing that can handle that. So how is that overkill?
F1 is always a compromise of weight/strength. They run everything at the razors edge of failure to get a competitive advantage. You can't compare any form of motor sport or any component to something in F1.
F1 is always a compromise of weight/strength. They run everything at the razors edge of failure to get a competitive advantage. You can't compare any form of motor sport or any component to something in F1.
How much is too much, or too little.. i don't know?
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i also fail to see the point of 550lbs. if you're generating that much downforce for a wing to be marketed as such... then you're either creating way too much drag or driving so fast that nothing anyone posts on the boards here will make a difference.
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Originally Posted by termigni,May 19 2010, 08:14 AM
Ferrari 430 is a good example here. It gets about 350 lbs of downforce at the speed of 180mph. Ferrari decided it is good enough downforce for it's V8 car so it didn't offer any of those outrageous Wings.
If this kind of strength is necessary, I wonder why F1 don't use such a thing.
I know what downforce is. Do you know what overkill is?
If this kind of strength is necessary, I wonder why F1 don't use such a thing.
I know what downforce is. Do you know what overkill is?
Have you looked under a 430? You'll find at few things we don't have, aero wise 
The 430 is pretty highly developed in street car mode. There are a lot of elements that complement each other to create the overall claimed downforce figures. Not including a wing (and a big protruding splitter) in development is a decision influenced by the marketing department based on the target buyer. I've seen a few race spec 430s sporting them though. Obviously there is overkill for aero, drag and balance are always things to consider. Like figuring out how to tune triple adjustable dampers, its all black magic to me
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Originally Posted by Vik2000,May 19 2010, 11:08 AM
rofl, regardless of the reasons, this wing is just an overkill for most of the cars out there.
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Originally Posted by Vik2000,May 19 2010, 02:08 PM
rofl, regardless of the reasons, this wing is just an overkill for most of the cars out there.
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Originally Posted by tunerjetta29,May 19 2010, 11:55 AM
F1 is always a compromise of weight/strength. They run everything at the razors edge of failure to get a competitive advantage. You can't compare any form of motor sport or any component to something in F1.
What I'm saying about F1 is that they are so fragile, (most likely won't be able to carry anywhere near the weight of 500lbs) but they do the job just fine for the downforce they carry.
hence the strength of this wing is overkill for 99% of road cars out there.