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Very true! Yeah I'm sure the first wings work very well. I also know the JDM ones work very well and I simply wish we could do a comparison (although I realize how impractical that would be).
Alas how nice would it be to be able to just rent a wind tunnel
I have access to a wind tunnel. My school has around 3 or 4 of them for the engineers, I could just arrange some time meeting with professors or what not to actually make the data clear to me and have them test it (as I'm a pilot, not an engineer). But yep we have low speed tunnels ie. up to 300knts. And high speed 2+ mach
First, to all you haters... WTF is your problem??!!
Number one... that is a fully stripped race car. We could have cared less about looks, it was all about downforce. That photo was of the first wing we had on the car. It was very functional. It wasn't active, but we would change the angle based on the particular track we were running. We used as little down-angle as possible to reduce drag. It was trial and error based on feel and laptimes. Since that #1 car was having better success with the HPM wing, we eventually switched to that one.
Yes there was extra drag in the straights, but the downforce (even with the wing nearly straight) allowed us to carry WAY more speed in the turns, and caused the car to be much more stable going over hills as well.
I also had an extra trunk for my street car that I put the APR wing on for track days. Even with completely stock suspension, the extra grip was a HUGE help. My laptimes were much better with the added downforce. Compare my car with the wing to JPs similarly equipped wingless car at the exit of corkscrew at Laguna Seca. Notice how much lower my rear end is sitting.
These are not JDM bling bling to impress friends, these are functional race parts that do far more, results-wise, than just about any other comparably priced modification.
Many thanks to Jason Rhodes, (JZR on the board) who was the first in our group to add a wing. I remember his first day with the beloved BAUW (big a$$ ugly wing) at Streets of Willow. He was able to enter turn one flat out because of the added downforce. Doug Hayashi didn't believe a wing could make such a differene, so he took his similarly equipped, but wingless car into turn one at full speed. Instead of turning, the lack of downforce sent the car sailing off the track, up the hill, and through the fence.
Of course, I just have hard data to back up my claims, I'm sure all your "expert" opinions with absolutely no basis count for much more...
I'd be interested to see wind tunnel data, but laptimes don't lie.
Originally Posted by mutjindori,Oct 30 2005, 10:25 PM
what ever happend to that car? did u sell it?
It's now Richard Laifatt's, and he's campaigning it in Honda Cup.
I had hoped to enter it in Grand Am this year, but they refused to allow the car in anywhere near competitive form. (They first said it wasn't fast enough, but when we showed them that we were 2-5 seconds faster than any other car in the ST class on the tracks Grand Am runs, they decided that we'd have to add over 600 lbs to make the car "eligible") The truth is, Honda doesn't support Grand Am whereas Mazda, GM and BMW pour millions into the series. There's no way they were going to allow a homebuilt Honda race car to kick the butts of all those factory teams.
I'm now looking for a different car to campaign next year, since the S2k gets no love from most of the race series. Even the Honda Cup people are thinking of placing major restrictions on the car, since we've taken over the series.
Politics in racing??? Who ever heard of such a thing?
Originally Posted by drewchie,Oct 30 2005, 10:32 PM
I'm now looking for a different car to campaign next year, since the S2k gets no love from most of the race series. Even the Honda Cup people are thinking of placing major restrictions on the car, since we've taken over the series.
Politics in racing??? Who ever heard of such a thing?
Actually, it's probably going to be either an '06 Z06 or C6R if I can get one. ALMS is still a bit out of my price range, but it's going to take me a year or two before I'm comfortable in such a scary fast car. I'd be looking at first campaigning it in the American LeMans Series in '07 or '08.
Sorry for the thread hijack... back to the topic of wings.
Drewchie with all the respect, even a full prepared race car deserves some respect and should not look like that p.o.s.
You can be a 5 times better driver than me, post your lap times ect. but the person wanted to see some wings (in order to buy one I guess), not home made picknick tables.
I remember his first day with the beloved BAUW (big a$$ ugly wing) at Streets of Willow. He was able to enter turn one flat out because of the added downforce. Doug Hayashi didn't believe a wing could make such a differene, so he took his similarly equipped, but wingless car into turn one at full speed. Instead of turning, the lack of downforce sent the car sailing off the track, up the hill, and through the fence. 
Even the Honda Cup people are thinking of placing major restrictions on the car, since we've taken over the series. 
