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Old Aug 2, 2008 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by silver j,Aug 2 2008, 04:36 PM
high hp doesn't necessitate a difference in braking technically. you will not be going any faster than anyone else, you'll just be reaching that speed much faster...even if you are drag racing or doing top speed runs a decent set of pads and good fluid will be fine since you will not have to worry about prolonged heat but just 1 big stop.

i would invest that money into reinforcing your car for that power along with lots of rear tires
power without balance & perfection is quite useless. If one wants more power, I would suggest to try invest the $$$ in another car. S2000 is about perfection of na engine that can produce over 100hp/liter. Any moron can slap on the supercharged/turbo to any car and gain big hp. But will it be well balance & perfection? I have give honda engineers for this. the only car can beat the S2000 is the Porsche gt3. But big $$$
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Old Aug 2, 2008 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by silver j,Aug 2 2008, 05:36 PM
high hp doesn't necessitate a difference in braking technically. you will not be going any faster than anyone else, you'll just be reaching that speed much faster...even if you are drag racing or doing top speed runs a decent set of pads and good fluid will be fine since you will not have to worry about prolonged heat but just 1 big stop.
You assuming the only reason to want BBK's is for doing top speed runs, which generally isn't the case. I can guarantee you if you put 200+ hp under my hood, I'll be entering the braking zone at some tracks 20+mph faster. That is significantly more energy and heat to dissipate. BBK's are for track use, not speed runs.
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Old Aug 2, 2008 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Voodoo_S2K,Aug 2 2008, 06:14 PM
You assuming the only reason to want BBK's is for doing top speed runs, which generally isn't the case. I can guarantee you if you put 200+ hp under my hood, I'll be entering the braking zone at some tracks 20+mph faster. That is significantly more energy and heat to dissipate. BBK's are for track use, not speed runs.
i agree 100%, i am just doubting that he is building a 700hp car for road racing but i could be wrong. my point is that high hp doesn't=bbk...all the time.
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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 06:04 AM
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of all of you making the claim that bigger brakes are un-necessary on the s, how many have, say, over 400 bhp?

Surely it makes good sense to let the people with more power answer the question. Either that, or a section of half decent maths.
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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by hecash,Aug 2 2008, 08:17 PM
I ran Road America several times with a supercharger and stock calipers. I had cooling ducts and Hawk blue pads.

I had no problem pulling the car down from 140+mph at #5 and #12 and 130+mph mph at #1 all day long with OEM calipers.

I've run there against other S2000 with Brembo and Wilwood and nobody could pull a "brake check" on me.
Did you put the cooling ducts in just because or did they become necessary? I'm know in my car, I start experience a little brake fade at the end of a 20-25 minute session. I don't run cooling ducts and personally I'm trying to avoid doing so. I plan on having 500+ hp sometime in the not to distant future, so I felt the upgrade was necessary for me.

Just because someone hasn't, doesn't mean it couldn't happen. Perhaps their pad or tire choice didn't utilize the additional torque offered by the BBK's? Perhaps your brake technique is better then theirs. What Brembo/Wilwood caliper's were they running? Where they still using stock size rotors?
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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 04:18 PM
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do you guys mind focusing on the BBK kits available rather than a discussion about why it's not necessary for the 1 millionth time?

nobody seems to ever car when someone asks about changing out a center console, or headlights, or front lips. it's all cosmetic. if it bothers you that much, please start a thread in OT about your issues.

as for BBK, what is the reason that you lose the hand brake in the rear? is this true for all kits?
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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 05:20 PM
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The "new" Willwood rear kit retains the hand brake. Check the link I provided above.
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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by hecash,Aug 3 2008, 04:57 PM
At Road America, any improvement in braking is a "must have." If you look at a video online (if there is one) of a lap there, you will see that brake failure at #1, #5 and # 12 has a very high chance of being fatal. You pay a very high price for inferior brakes there.


I respectfully sugges that you consider adding any improvement in braking that works. Cooling is a big, big improvement.

Yes, I understand Road America to be hard on the brakes.

I'm trying to avoid needing ducts for several reasons that I won't go into here, but I do agree that they can make a world of difference.
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Old Aug 4, 2008 | 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Voodoo_S2K,Aug 2 2008, 10:59 AM
Did you ever put yours on?
Im gonna rebuild the endless and powder coat them. Not sure what to do with them after that, my skill is no where near the point of being able to take advantage of them. I picked up some spoons that I wanted to try for the time being. Saw your car again friday, brakes look hot as hell.
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Old Aug 6, 2008 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JDM-S2K20,Aug 2 2008, 02:52 AM
Well i need functionality also. My car is going on boost pretty soon and she will be in the 700+ rwhp range. So im gonna need something to stop this lol.
You are aware that bigger brakes don't necessarily reduce stopping times/distances yes?

On a long-ish stint on the track, they're a blessing for sure. But if you think larger rotors are the key to bringing your 700+ hp S2000 to a stop faster, you'll be disappointed.

My $.02
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