2009 S2000 Challenge Series
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After taking into consideration the comments on this thread, the advisory committee has agreed on the following issues:
No points. As Jaku had mentioned, it's a hard sell to argue a noticeable laptime improvement with a BBK. If anything, BBK's improve the feel / touch of the brake pedal and may provide less fade over long sessions. However, in Time Attack style where you have an out-lap, timed lap, and in-lap, a BBK will hardly be an improvement over our stock brakes.
Just for you Paul, you get a minus -1. Oh wait, you're still in Mod class. Makes no difference. 
There is a strict no skirt policy if your genes contain a Y chromosome.
No points. As Jaku said, the top drivers in our baseline did not run them, and still putting down blazing times.
No points. If anything, BSK's on an AP1 will make it more equal to a AP2. No proven data that it does anything for an AP2.
No points. I know in previous S2K Challanges, points were assigned to "expensive" mods. But come on...how subjective can you get? It would be an endless argument on what price levels would be considered "expensive."
Agreed. 0.25 points for passenger seat removal. 
Sorry Chad, the date of the first series event is set in stone... 
Aaron wanted to spread out the events as evenly as possible at the selected tracks. Also he wanted one event max per month. Plus, Friday events are low attendance. 
I know this is a touchy subject for those at the border of street/mod and mod/unlimited, and no system is without at least a few being unhappy. We feel that the current rules are a vast improvement over previous years because the baseline was determined by hard data based on current S2K track performance and respective mods.
We knew from the beginning that Mod Class would be the largest group. That being said, we wanted to appease masses. As Jaku stated, we wanted to allow the lightly-modded r-comp guys to compete against street tire guys with more mods, and still be apples-to-apples. For those with R-comps near the 11 point range, you are at the limit (at least currently) of what a fully decked out street tire car is capable of (think Evasive's street tire car at the last SLB). So in order to be fair, we decided that 11 points will remain the maximum for Mod Class.
What about Upgraded brake kits? Spoon cal and J bbk is a big advantage. I think that should not be a free mod also.
Can we minus points if we suck at driving =]
if u wear a skirt. It is minus 2 points. No one would object. That I am sure.
what about camber arms or joints?
Are bumpsteer kits points? Do they really add no significant advantage, in particular on AP1?
Because they're expensive I think they should be assigned points personally.
0.25pts for passenger seat removal is not a bad idea for being able to a bring spare set (as opposed to just a spare tire) incase of a mishap..
... I just realized that the 24th is listed but not 25th... Does that mean my times on Sunday won't count? I'm flying half way around the world and not sleeping to make it on Sunday!
Just seems like a lot mildly prepared cars are ending up in unlimited. Not -just- you.
Why is March 27th Buttonwillow event not on the schedule?
It looks like alot of the guys that are in unlimited now are over by .25-.5 points, and all of them are on R-Tires.
Maybe they should move it up to 12 points and up for unlimited
We knew from the beginning that Mod Class would be the largest group. That being said, we wanted to appease masses. As Jaku stated, we wanted to allow the lightly-modded r-comp guys to compete against street tire guys with more mods, and still be apples-to-apples. For those with R-comps near the 11 point range, you are at the limit (at least currently) of what a fully decked out street tire car is capable of (think Evasive's street tire car at the last SLB). So in order to be fair, we decided that 11 points will remain the maximum for Mod Class.
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Originally Posted by Jaku' date='Jan 22 2009, 12:49 PM
i can take off my wing and run all seasons, then i'm in street class!
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Originally Posted by Squirtle' date='Jan 22 2009, 12:41 PM
I am near stock height on coils and have -2.2 front camber and 6 caster. I can get you a template of the alignment settings if you don't believe it. It's doable.
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Originally Posted by 600rr_rocket' date='Jan 22 2009, 01:04 PM
After taking into consideration the comments on this thread, the advisory committee has agreed on the following issues:
No points. As Jaku had mentioned, it's a hard sell to argue a noticeable laptime improvement with a BBK. If anything, BBK's improve the feel / touch of the brake pedal and may provide less fade over long sessions. However, in Time Attack style where you have an out-lap, timed lap, and in-lap, a BBK will hardly be an improvement over our stock brakes.
Just for you Paul, you get a minus -1. Oh wait, you're still in Mod class. Makes no difference.
There is a strict no skirt policy if your genes contain a Y chromosome.
No points. As Jaku said, the top drivers in our baseline did not run them, and still putting down blazing times.
No points. If anything, BSK's on an AP1 will make it more equal to a AP2. No proven data that it does anything for an AP2.
No points. I know in previous S2K Challanges, points were assigned to "expensive" mods. But come on...how subjective can you get? It would be an endless argument on what price levels would be considered "expensive."
Agreed. 0.25 points for passenger seat removal.
Sorry Chad, the date of the first series event is set in stone...
Aaron wanted to spread out the events as evenly as possible at the selected tracks. Also he wanted one event max per month. Plus, Friday events are low attendance.
I know this is a touchy subject for those at the border of street/mod and mod/unlimited, and no system is without at least a few being unhappy. We feel that the current rules are a vast improvement over previous years because the baseline was determined by hard data based on current S2K track performance and respective mods.
We knew from the beginning that Mod Class would be the largest group. That being said, we wanted to appease masses. As Jaku stated, we wanted to allow the lightly-modded r-comp guys to compete against street tire guys with more mods, and still be apples-to-apples. For those with R-comps near the 11 point range, you are at the limit (at least currently) of what a fully decked out street tire car is capable of (think Evasive's street tire car at the last SLB). So in order to be fair, we decided that 11 points will remain the maximum for Mod Class.
No points. As Jaku had mentioned, it's a hard sell to argue a noticeable laptime improvement with a BBK. If anything, BBK's improve the feel / touch of the brake pedal and may provide less fade over long sessions. However, in Time Attack style where you have an out-lap, timed lap, and in-lap, a BBK will hardly be an improvement over our stock brakes.
Just for you Paul, you get a minus -1. Oh wait, you're still in Mod class. Makes no difference.
There is a strict no skirt policy if your genes contain a Y chromosome.
No points. As Jaku said, the top drivers in our baseline did not run them, and still putting down blazing times.
No points. If anything, BSK's on an AP1 will make it more equal to a AP2. No proven data that it does anything for an AP2.
No points. I know in previous S2K Challanges, points were assigned to "expensive" mods. But come on...how subjective can you get? It would be an endless argument on what price levels would be considered "expensive."
Agreed. 0.25 points for passenger seat removal.
Sorry Chad, the date of the first series event is set in stone...
Aaron wanted to spread out the events as evenly as possible at the selected tracks. Also he wanted one event max per month. Plus, Friday events are low attendance.
I know this is a touchy subject for those at the border of street/mod and mod/unlimited, and no system is without at least a few being unhappy. We feel that the current rules are a vast improvement over previous years because the baseline was determined by hard data based on current S2K track performance and respective mods.
We knew from the beginning that Mod Class would be the largest group. That being said, we wanted to appease masses. As Jaku stated, we wanted to allow the lightly-modded r-comp guys to compete against street tire guys with more mods, and still be apples-to-apples. For those with R-comps near the 11 point range, you are at the limit (at least currently) of what a fully decked out street tire car is capable of (think Evasive's street tire car at the last SLB). So in order to be fair, we decided that 11 points will remain the maximum for Mod Class.
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Originally Posted by blkblks2k' date='Jan 22 2009, 01:22 PM
wow who is your alignment guy. I would like to go to him. Im maxed out at 6.3 and -1.6 camber up front.
His names Dave. Just a regular guy, nothing epically great about him?
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Originally Posted by blkblks2k' date='Jan 22 2009, 01:26 PM
Feel like it I'm getting punish for being so open about my mods.
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you can run street tire, and be in mod easily.
or install CAT and exhaust. it is worth just a few HP anyway. quieter drive to track also.
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Ed had to sell his supercharger to run in mod.
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I also want to point out that Aaron said he will allow 2 driver sharing 1 car in the Challenge, as long as both has paid for entry.
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Originally Posted by blkblks2k' date='Jan 22 2009, 01:22 PM
wow who is your alignment guy. I would like to go to him. Im maxed out at 6.3 and -1.6 camber up front.
1. alignment shop doesn't know how to max out caster, ie JC Autohouse (Cyrus), he gave me 2 degree less max caster than Westend on same ride height and camber
2. people damage their suspension component from going off track etc
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Originally Posted by Jaku' date='Jan 22 2009, 12:46 PM
i think your car have some problems!
Kel/Maxrev/Colatkitty/600rr_rocket are all able to hit 2'00~2'01 street tires on f up suspension?
Colatkitty also has same alignment spec as mine btw, so my conclusion is something wrong with your car to slow you way down!
Kel/Maxrev/Colatkitty/600rr_rocket are all able to hit 2'00~2'01 street tires on f up suspension?
Colatkitty also has same alignment spec as mine btw, so my conclusion is something wrong with your car to slow you way down!
Come think of it just because Rob can do a 1:54 dose not automaticly make a setup better. He is just better.
Just like what Krazik is saying.
if you haven't found the usefulness of max caster w/ -3-4 camber you're missing it!!
This is from a guy that races all year round. It that dose not prove a point I don't know what is. Maybe just rules that will help you and your friends.