Daryl: my vote is that vented hoods, vented fenders, wide fenders, etc. should be a free mod. Fender flares should be a free mod as well. As far as the undertray, what do you think? I think that unless the tray connects all the way to the front, it won't be very effective, and so it should be 0.25 points. But if you're talking about a hole in the undertray to leave the tranny exposed, then I say 0.5 points. The main reason for that hole is to allow cooling of the tranny. I'm not sure though...

Albert: any OEM or aftermarket sway bars are allowed. I'm sure you're going to be one tough competitor.

 

I suppose they don't add significant performance value like say an exhaust would for weight+power, so I would agree on 0 pts on hood/fender/overfender. Unless someone proves us wrong...

I'm a little confused by what you mean. I agree with you that underbodies only work when everything is completely covered. But from my understanding, you're saying that a full body would be 0.25 pts, yet if there's a hole/gap left for tranny cooling purposes then it's 0.5 pts? Shouldn't it be the other way round, since the gap already diminishes the effect of the underbody? I would agree for 0.5 completely covered, 0.25 for any other non-completely covering.

But then this would raise uncertainties, where someone could say, "oh I left a 1mm gap for cooling" and so pretty much claim it as 0.25 instead of 0.5, so I suppose there needs to be a better description of such separation.

I don't see why the underbody is dealt pts in conjunction with the rear diffuser. I'm assuming most of us acknowledge underbody as talking about the midsection. Maybe just separate under aero into front, mid, rear and assess points that way?

 

Nam: I'd put money on either the Spec-S or the Winged/R-comp/Staggered setup.

What about:

2.50 = Nitto NT01 R-Compounds
0.50 = CR wing
0.50 = Full Front Aero
0.25 = Exhaust
0.25 = OEM AP2 Motor or Test Pipe if AP1

The Full Front Aero could help offset the smaller front tire...

Alternatively:

2.50 = Nitto NT01 R-Compounds
0.50 = CR wing
0.25 = CR lip
0.25 = 235 Front Tire
0.25 = Exhaust
0.25 = OEM AP2 Motor or Test Pipe if AP1


It seems we both favor "balanced" setups...

 

Agreed!

Also, ballast isn't necessarily a bad thing. Maybe you can rig up something that bolts into the passenger seat holes that weights ~100 pounds and also has a system for a cool-suit! This would mean:

1) Not only 50/50 cross-weights, but 50/50 left/right weights!
2) Lower center of gravity
3) Lower moment of inertia
4) No more sweating like a grease monkey in the summer

Not a bad problem to have.

Mike: I can speak from experience that the winged, staggered R-comp setup is not as fast as the Spec-R configuration. That would be my last choice, actually. I'm most afraid of the coilovers/non-staggered street tire/CR wing. That will definitely do some damage...

 

So we are set on FTD rather than TA session?

 

Spec-R springs and RS-3, that'd be seriously perfect!!! All you need to go "fast" on an S, nothing else.

So far in Spec-S:
-Nam, Albert, Jim, Mike and myself. Competition anyone?

 

I need to find a way to lose 200 lbs if the spec weight is 2800 w/ driver. I'm fighting the mod bug dammit.

@ Nam: You're significantly faster this year. I'd be curious to see what you'd do on a winged/NT01 setup now. Which do you think would be more balanced? Full front aero + 225 or 235 and CR lip, or 245 front? Ignoring the points, if you went from your setup to shaved r-comps, how much faster do you think you'd be?

@ Ben: Do you have any idea what your car weighs? Just curious.

@ Jim (and everyone else to a degree): Do we have a set of scales to use? I'd rather have a set for the series, than burden you with using your set. We could always use 8 or 12 bathroom scales if necessary. It wouldn't be the most accurate, but would be by far the most cost effective method.

 

I'm also inclined to agree. I think we chose 10 because it was a nice round number.

Nam, thanks for addressing the open questions. I think everyone will agree that your input in this whole process is greatly appreciated.

As for the fast lap time of day, I think most agree that this is the preferred format.

For me personally, I'm torn between staying in Mod Class or entering Spec-S Class. My primary motivation for joining Spec-S would be to kick Nam's butt.

 

[QUOTE=psychoazn,Nov 20 2010, 07:37 PM] @ Ben: Do you have any idea what your car weighs?

 

^^ Gonna go from getting beat down by Jim/Mike/Mark to getting beat down by Nam/Ben?