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Here are the rules :Street Class Rules 2015 Solo
Section 13.6 is on Brakes and there is no mention of swapping rotors which means it is a no no. Different rotors from OEM would put you in STR.
I'm running an 08' using 225/255 RS3V2s with stock bars right now. I'm planning to get the Karcepts front bar soon though. No rush...
Over the past 2 days I have been lucky enough to run with an s2000 and their drivers that has placed at nationals in B street class of 17 cars with 5 s2000s haha. That car was running 245s square. It is fully prepped with a front bar of some kind, aftermarket single exhaust, really expensive shocks and really good drivers.
My nemisis in an 06' was running 235/255 RE71Rs and beat me but he was dialing in camber and bar stiffness.
In the past I have beaten a guy who bought a fully prepped car running 255 square with front bar and everything. Assuming equal drivers a front bar will benefit from wider front tires it seems for most.
I didn't go with the wide fronts because I was not used to the car anyway and I thought that the wider front tires would throw the balance way toward oversteer. Someone else running stock bars had no problem with the wider tires.
I use Track Addict Sorry
. I know some people do use Harry's Lap timer too.
I hate to say it but your eibach bar isn't really doing much. I know your on a budget, but my 08 stock bar is 354lbs/in (yours stock was 300lb/in) and I have twitchiness problems due to inside rear lift. The lowest setting on the Karcepts bar is 732lb/in Karcepts bar info. When you can afford it get a better bar. In the meantime scoop up some good tires. They will take you a long way.
Section 13.6 is on Brakes and there is no mention of swapping rotors which means it is a no no. Different rotors from OEM would put you in STR.
I'm running an 08' using 225/255 RS3V2s with stock bars right now. I'm planning to get the Karcepts front bar soon though. No rush...
Over the past 2 days I have been lucky enough to run with an s2000 and their drivers that has placed at nationals in B street class of 17 cars with 5 s2000s haha. That car was running 245s square. It is fully prepped with a front bar of some kind, aftermarket single exhaust, really expensive shocks and really good drivers.
My nemisis in an 06' was running 235/255 RE71Rs and beat me but he was dialing in camber and bar stiffness.
In the past I have beaten a guy who bought a fully prepped car running 255 square with front bar and everything. Assuming equal drivers a front bar will benefit from wider front tires it seems for most.
I didn't go with the wide fronts because I was not used to the car anyway and I thought that the wider front tires would throw the balance way toward oversteer. Someone else running stock bars had no problem with the wider tires.
I use Track Addict Sorry
. I know some people do use Harry's Lap timer too.I hate to say it but your eibach bar isn't really doing much. I know your on a budget, but my 08 stock bar is 354lbs/in (yours stock was 300lb/in) and I have twitchiness problems due to inside rear lift. The lowest setting on the Karcepts bar is 732lb/in Karcepts bar info. When you can afford it get a better bar. In the meantime scoop up some good tires. They will take you a long way.
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Here are the rules :Street Class Rules 2015 Solo
Section 13.6 is on Brakes and there is no mention of swapping rotors which means it is a no no. Different rotors from OEM would put you in STR.
I'm running an 08' using 225/255 RS3V2s with stock bars right now. I'm planning to get the Karcepts front bar soon though. No rush...
Over the past 2 days I have been lucky enough to run with an s2000 and their drivers that has placed at nationals in B street class of 17 cars with 5 s2000s haha. That car was running 245s square. It is fully prepped with a front bar of some kind, aftermarket single exhaust, really expensive shocks and really good drivers.
My nemisis in an 06' was running 235/255 RE71Rs and beat me but he was dialing in camber and bar stiffness.
In the past I have beaten a guy who bought a fully prepped car running 255 square with front bar and everything. Assuming equal drivers a front bar will benefit from wider front tires it seems for most.
I didn't go with the wide fronts because I was not used to the car anyway and I thought that the wider front tires would throw the balance way toward oversteer. Someone else running stock bars had no problem with the wider tires.
I use Track Addict Sorry. I know some people do use Harry's Lap timer too.
I hate to say it but your eibach bar isn't really doing much. I know your on a budget, but my 08 stock bar is 354lbs/in (yours stock was 300lb/in) and I have twitchiness problems due to inside rear lift. The lowest setting on the Karcepts bar is 732lb/in Karcepts bar info. When you can afford it get a better bar. In the meantime scoop up some good tires. They will take you a long way.
Section 13.6 is on Brakes and there is no mention of swapping rotors which means it is a no no. Different rotors from OEM would put you in STR.
I'm running an 08' using 225/255 RS3V2s with stock bars right now. I'm planning to get the Karcepts front bar soon though. No rush...
Over the past 2 days I have been lucky enough to run with an s2000 and their drivers that has placed at nationals in B street class of 17 cars with 5 s2000s haha. That car was running 245s square. It is fully prepped with a front bar of some kind, aftermarket single exhaust, really expensive shocks and really good drivers.
My nemisis in an 06' was running 235/255 RE71Rs and beat me but he was dialing in camber and bar stiffness.
In the past I have beaten a guy who bought a fully prepped car running 255 square with front bar and everything. Assuming equal drivers a front bar will benefit from wider front tires it seems for most.
I didn't go with the wide fronts because I was not used to the car anyway and I thought that the wider front tires would throw the balance way toward oversteer. Someone else running stock bars had no problem with the wider tires.
I use Track Addict Sorry
. I know some people do use Harry's Lap timer too.I hate to say it but your eibach bar isn't really doing much. I know your on a budget, but my 08 stock bar is 354lbs/in (yours stock was 300lb/in) and I have twitchiness problems due to inside rear lift. The lowest setting on the Karcepts bar is 732lb/in Karcepts bar info. When you can afford it get a better bar. In the meantime scoop up some good tires. They will take you a long way.
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Originally Posted by Rhop101' timestamp='1437363329' post='23686146
Here are the rules :Street Class Rules 2015 Solo
Section 13.6 is on Brakes and there is no mention of swapping rotors which means it is a no no. Different rotors from OEM would put you in STR.
I'm running an 08' using 225/255 RS3V2s with stock bars right now. I'm planning to get the Karcepts front bar soon though. No rush...
Over the past 2 days I have been lucky enough to run with an s2000 and their drivers that has placed at nationals in B street class of 17 cars with 5 s2000s haha. That car was running 245s square. It is fully prepped with a front bar of some kind, aftermarket single exhaust, really expensive shocks and really good drivers.
My nemisis in an 06' was running 235/255 RE71Rs and beat me but he was dialing in camber and bar stiffness.
In the past I have beaten a guy who bought a fully prepped car running 255 square with front bar and everything. Assuming equal drivers a front bar will benefit from wider front tires it seems for most.
I didn't go with the wide fronts because I was not used to the car anyway and I thought that the wider front tires would throw the balance way toward oversteer. Someone else running stock bars had no problem with the wider tires.
I use Track Addict Sorry. I know some people do use Harry's Lap timer too.
I hate to say it but your eibach bar isn't really doing much. I know your on a budget, but my 08 stock bar is 354lbs/in (yours stock was 300lb/in) and I have twitchiness problems due to inside rear lift. The lowest setting on the Karcepts bar is 732lb/in Karcepts bar info. When you can afford it get a better bar. In the meantime scoop up some good tires. They will take you a long way.
Section 13.6 is on Brakes and there is no mention of swapping rotors which means it is a no no. Different rotors from OEM would put you in STR.
I'm running an 08' using 225/255 RS3V2s with stock bars right now. I'm planning to get the Karcepts front bar soon though. No rush...
Over the past 2 days I have been lucky enough to run with an s2000 and their drivers that has placed at nationals in B street class of 17 cars with 5 s2000s haha. That car was running 245s square. It is fully prepped with a front bar of some kind, aftermarket single exhaust, really expensive shocks and really good drivers.
My nemisis in an 06' was running 235/255 RE71Rs and beat me but he was dialing in camber and bar stiffness.
In the past I have beaten a guy who bought a fully prepped car running 255 square with front bar and everything. Assuming equal drivers a front bar will benefit from wider front tires it seems for most.
I didn't go with the wide fronts because I was not used to the car anyway and I thought that the wider front tires would throw the balance way toward oversteer. Someone else running stock bars had no problem with the wider tires.
I use Track Addict Sorry
. I know some people do use Harry's Lap timer too.I hate to say it but your eibach bar isn't really doing much. I know your on a budget, but my 08 stock bar is 354lbs/in (yours stock was 300lb/in) and I have twitchiness problems due to inside rear lift. The lowest setting on the Karcepts bar is 732lb/in Karcepts bar info. When you can afford it get a better bar. In the meantime scoop up some good tires. They will take you a long way.
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I just started building my car for BS this year, and I started with the Gendron. It's a great bar functionally, but in the long run, I definitely want the Karcepts for ease of adjustment. I would definitely tinker with my bar more if I had the Karcepts, it's just a lot easier to change settings. Pretty sure it's decently lighter too.
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I just started building my car for BS this year, and I started with the Gendron. It's a great bar functionally, but in the long run, I definitely want the Karcepts for ease of adjustment. I would definitely tinker with my bar more if I had the Karcepts, it's just a lot easier to change settings. Pretty sure it's decently lighter too.
As to the weight....
http://casertaracing.com/blog/karcep...t-comparisons/
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I think I'm just going to try 225/255 Re71r and just run the Eibach for now. Also, I just ordered Cryo treated full face Centrics and the Hawk Street Race pads. I figure I can run this setup for a year, get a good feel for the car, and then look into some higher quality parts later on.
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According to this post - https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/822...y-bars-review/ - stock AP2 is around 260 lb/in and the Eibach is 416 lb/in on the stiffer setting. Still the Karcepts will be better but the eibach still should help a lot.
https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/818...nsion-springs/
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I think I'm just going to try 225/255 Re71r and just run the Eibach for now. Also, I just ordered Cryo treated full face Centrics and the Hawk Street Race pads. I figure I can run this setup for a year, get a good feel for the car, and then look into some higher quality parts later on.
Did you consider the Ferodo DS2500 or CL RC5+ sintered pads?
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