Bye Bye Bilstein Hello Ohlins
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Originally Posted by PedalFaster,Nov 18 2010, 02:52 PM
Can you clarify what you mean by "much better resolution"?
The TTX36 manual has several references to them having shim stacks.
Don't get me wrong -- I'm not saying Ohlins makes bad shocks by any means, and the Elise I ran for the past two years had them. I'm just surprised by your statement that they're "light years ahead" of the gold standard, so I'm looking to understand. I can see the advantages to increased serviceability and easier packaging because of the lack of external reservoirs.
The TTX36 manual has several references to them having shim stacks.
Don't get me wrong -- I'm not saying Ohlins makes bad shocks by any means, and the Elise I ran for the past two years had them. I'm just surprised by your statement that they're "light years ahead" of the gold standard, so I'm looking to understand. I can see the advantages to increased serviceability and easier packaging because of the lack of external reservoirs.
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From: SoFlo
Originally Posted by PedalFaster,Nov 18 2010, 08:39 AM
They're generally held to be in the same caliber, but I've never seen dyno charts or heard a direct comparison to back this up or refute it. I doubt many people on this forum (myself included) could tell the difference between similarly valved shocks from top-shelf vendors (Penske, JRZ, Moton, Ohlins?).
-and I agree.
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SRP tried to get me to buy a set of these when I got my Penskes, but the costs weren't worth it to me just like PedalFaster. The main thing I liked about the Ohlins design is the linearity of the adjuster. No needle in a tapered seat a la Penske.
I totally agree though on the comparison comment though, I seriously doubt many/any person/people that peruse this forum could tell the difference between them if the dyno plots were the same.
I totally agree though on the comparison comment though, I seriously doubt many/any person/people that peruse this forum could tell the difference between them if the dyno plots were the same.
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From: Emmett
Originally Posted by Carbon Blue,Nov 18 2010, 07:26 PM
mother of pearl! Those are sexy! Now that you are ditching the pss's how much do you want to sell em for? Do they come with those top hats and valving that you've been wanting to do to them?
I'm not selling my Bilsteins just yet, I'm not done playing with them
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From: Emmett
Originally Posted by modMonkey,Nov 18 2010, 02:47 PM
TTX__ - the numbers following = piston size?
My buddy runs the TTX on his race bike. Apparently (and I don't know how true this is), a lot of their components are now made outside of Europe (China supposedly) in an effort to reduce costs. The tolerances are not as good as previously. He started getting this weird cavitation. Turns out it was because a seal was not machined to the right tolerances. Long story short, he ended up spending more money on a solution from a 3rd market company.
Despite this, I'm pretty excited this technology has trickled down to our cars.
My buddy runs the TTX on his race bike. Apparently (and I don't know how true this is), a lot of their components are now made outside of Europe (China supposedly) in an effort to reduce costs. The tolerances are not as good as previously. He started getting this weird cavitation. Turns out it was because a seal was not machined to the right tolerances. Long story short, he ended up spending more money on a solution from a 3rd market company.
Despite this, I'm pretty excited this technology has trickled down to our cars.
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Got a set of ttx36il delivered yesterday.
Plan to use them in front & rear.
Currently changing from 2way to 4way.
Also need to make the clevis & top mount.
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.ph...-Tip-of-Iceberg
MK
Plan to use them in front & rear.
Currently changing from 2way to 4way.
Also need to make the clevis & top mount.
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.ph...-Tip-of-Iceberg
MK
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Sorry, didn't mean to stir the hornets nest or offend anyone. Simply stating my opinion that these are a level above the rest. FWIW I went from KW to Ohlins to Motorsport Bilsteins back to KW's. Everyone has a different compromise.
With regard to resolution.
Motons are known for having bad resolution, so much so that the new line of CS's have 14 instead of 7 clicks.
With regard to shimstacks.
Perhaps I read wrong in RCE, but from what I understood, the TTX do not use shimstacks to alter damping/valaving which is a HUGE plus. The ability to service/alter damping while on the car without having to rebuild recharge is awesome feature.
With your traditional Moton/JRZ/Penske, this is a many hour long affair.
With regard to resolution.
Motons are known for having bad resolution, so much so that the new line of CS's have 14 instead of 7 clicks.
With regard to shimstacks.
Perhaps I read wrong in RCE, but from what I understood, the TTX do not use shimstacks to alter damping/valaving which is a HUGE plus. The ability to service/alter damping while on the car without having to rebuild recharge is awesome feature.
With your traditional Moton/JRZ/Penske, this is a many hour long affair.
