End of the square vs staggered
10-07-2018, 11:28 AM
#11
I'd disagree. I have no doubt a 245/275 setup will be faster, especially if the car is setup for it. To many people buy coilovers with spring rates setup for square.
Basically every model after 00-03 tries to put more bias towards the front for understeer.
Take an AP1 stock setup, with Eibach 32mm front sway, to increase rear grip, coils with 8k-front/10k-rear, or 10k-front/12k rear, with 245s(8.5 or 9"wheel) up front and 275(10-10.5" wheel) rear, and you'll have a car setup for staggered.
It blows my mind that I read about people saying my car is faster square! Yet they either have a later models year which is setup closer to square, or the mods they have done also push the car toward better handling square. Your going to be fastest with whatever your car is setup for... But when it comes down to it more grip = better. More tire on the ground = more grip.
Basically every model after 00-03 tries to put more bias towards the front for understeer.
Take an AP1 stock setup, with Eibach 32mm front sway, to increase rear grip, coils with 8k-front/10k-rear, or 10k-front/12k rear, with 245s(8.5 or 9"wheel) up front and 275(10-10.5" wheel) rear, and you'll have a car setup for staggered.
It blows my mind that I read about people saying my car is faster square! Yet they either have a later models year which is setup closer to square, or the mods they have done also push the car toward better handling square. Your going to be fastest with whatever your car is setup for... But when it comes down to it more grip = better. More tire on the ground = more grip.
the same for brakes and rotors. Bigger brakes and rotors can be slower.
10-07-2018, 12:30 PM
#12
Either way, these things are going to come down to driving style and setup. Fact is, more setup knowledge and off the shelf parts are available in the US for a square setup.
With this said, the fastest S2000 in the country (probably world.) is on a 315/335 stagger, but I suspect it is only because he couldn't physically fit more up front.
Last edited by Chibo; 10-07-2018 at 01:23 PM.
10-07-2018, 01:01 PM
#13
Being careful not getting away from OP statements.
Don't think just adjustment with tires to suit the incorrect bias & balance of arbs & spring rates fitted <non oem>&=<driveability>is the correct way forwards in the black art of handling.
There is a right way,
a wrong way
and a correct way.
Don't think just adjustment with tires to suit the incorrect bias & balance of arbs & spring rates fitted <non oem>&=<driveability>is the correct way forwards in the black art of handling.
There is a right way,
a wrong way
and a correct way.
10-07-2018, 01:36 PM
#14
Lots to consider OP! Square is not always better/faster.
Last edited by s2000Junky; 10-07-2018 at 01:41 PM.
10-07-2018, 02:53 PM
#15
I'd disagree. I have no doubt a 245/275 setup will be faster, especially if the car is setup for it. To many people buy coilovers with spring rates setup for square.
Basically every model after 00-03 tries to put more bias towards the front for understeer.
Take an AP1 stock setup, with Eibach 32mm front sway, to increase rear grip, coils with 8k-front/10k-rear, or 10k-front/12k rear, with 245s(8.5 or 9"wheel) up front and 275(10-10.5" wheel) rear, and you'll have a car setup for staggered.
It blows my mind that I read about people saying my car is faster square! Yet they either have a later models year which is setup closer to square, or the mods they have done also push the car toward better handling square. Your going to be fastest with whatever your car is setup for... But when it comes down to it more grip = better. More tire on the ground = more grip.
Basically every model after 00-03 tries to put more bias towards the front for understeer.
Take an AP1 stock setup, with Eibach 32mm front sway, to increase rear grip, coils with 8k-front/10k-rear, or 10k-front/12k rear, with 245s(8.5 or 9"wheel) up front and 275(10-10.5" wheel) rear, and you'll have a car setup for staggered.
It blows my mind that I read about people saying my car is faster square! Yet they either have a later models year which is setup closer to square, or the mods they have done also push the car toward better handling square. Your going to be fastest with whatever your car is setup for... But when it comes down to it more grip = better. More tire on the ground = more grip.
Bottom line, I really don’t care about opinions on this issue, I have tried enough different things with this car and have enough ability that my experience is all I really care about and what this post is intended to share.
10-07-2018, 02:58 PM
#16
Hence another important point. Unless one is running a custom widebody on the s2k, even then you will almost always be able to accommodate more rubber in the rear of the car vs front, so going square in that case will leave grip on the table when the front is the limiting factor for fitment, certainly on a non custom body s2k. My car is set up to run 255-275 front and 295-315 rears. Always staggered! I also use this car for street and track days, so my aero is limited and often times track the car with the top down, so naturally a staggered set up with more tire in the rear helps keep the grip balance more controllable at high speeds.
Lots to consider OP! Square is not always better/faster.
Lots to consider OP! Square is not always better/faster.
To me your statement feels like you haven’t truely driven this car 10/10. Sorry, no disrespect, it is just how it comes across.
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10-07-2018, 04:26 PM
#17
Edit: I see from your other thread, you were 225/255 previously.
Last edited by Nate Tempest; 10-07-2018 at 05:33 PM.
10-07-2018, 04:33 PM
#18
I was thinking a similar thing when I came across this thread. Funny!
10-07-2018, 05:25 PM
#19
Anyway, you gave your opinion, which everyone has a right to, so just move along.
10-07-2018, 05:38 PM
#20
It wasn’t an increase in grip that I noticed it was how much more balanced and how controllable it was in places that use to be beyond the limit.