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Old Oct 8, 2018 | 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Nate Tempest
In your previous message you said the rear "still retained a 'slippery' oversteer-ish feeling". That sounds like too much rear bar to me, not too little. Since you've got the stock rear bar on it now (I assume FSB was a typo, since you said you'd moved to an Eibach FSB?) I'd just try disconnecting it to start. I bet you'll find the rear feels more planted. (Of course, you'll also get more roll; if that's a problem you could compensate with more front bar, assuming it's still biased toward oversteer, and/or with dampers to some extent.) Or change your spring rates of course, but presumably it makes more sense to try to dial things in with what you have first.
You are correct. It was a typo. I meant RSB, not FSB. I'm installing a J's rear RCA (I had the front done already). Hopefully that, combined with stiffer rear damper settings solves my problem. Otherwise, I guess I will try to disconnect the RSB, and if that doesn't help the next step is to try stiffer, square spring rates.
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Old Oct 9, 2018 | 04:49 AM
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If only Honda had employed a real engineer rather than a stylist to design this car.

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Old Oct 9, 2018 | 09:50 AM
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I don't think Honda engineered the car as a track car / time attack car as the primary usage in the first place
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Old Oct 9, 2018 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Chuck S
If only Honda had employed a real engineer rather than a stylist to design this car.

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They did, they just designed the car for the most common user with the most common skill set. Track use in the hands of a skilled driver was not their main focus.

So nice try at a second attempt to make an obviously sarcastic/passive aggressive comment, but you failed twice in this thread.
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Old Oct 9, 2018 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by bgoetz



So nice try at a second attempt to make an obviously sarcastic/passive aggressive comment, but you failed twice in this thread.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Some like to contribute and debate, some just like to sling poo around.
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Old Oct 9, 2018 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by s2000Junky
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Some like to contribute and debate, some just like to sling poo around.
Did we just agree in this thread!!
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Old Oct 9, 2018 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bgoetz


Did we just agree in this thread!!


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Old Oct 9, 2018 | 12:13 PM
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FWIW, e46 m3 came staggered 225/255 from the factory, and some of the most common track setups are 265square.

e36m3 also came staggered from the factory at 215/245. Common setup is 245square or 255square if you can fit it.
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Old Oct 9, 2018 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullwings
FWIW, e46 m3 came staggered 225/255 from the factory, and some of the most common track setups are 265square.

e36m3 also came staggered from the factory at 215/245. Common setup is 245square or 255square if you can fit it.
The 94 and 95 E36 M3s were actually square from the factory and then they switched to larger rears when the engine got bumped up to a 3.2 (in the US at least). I think it was 215/215? I ran 225/225 on mine, and you're spot on about the popular setups
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Old Oct 9, 2018 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullwings
FWIW, e46 m3 came staggered 225/255 from the factory, and some of the most common track setups are 265square.

e36m3 also came staggered from the factory at 215/245. Common setup is 245square or 255square if you can fit it.
the classic BMW stagger has everything to do with liability for cars sold to the masses and nothing to do with balance. They want an understeering car that favors control when you lift.
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