Heel toe
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Originally Posted by cthree,Aug 12 2005, 09:53 AM
The method of putting only part of your foot on the brake and rotating your ankle so you can blip the throttle with the right edge of your foot sounds dangerous, unreliable and not very transferable to other cars to me. When I'm coming to the end of a 115 MPH straight and am going down 2 gears under ABS the last thing I want is to rotate my ankle with only 1/4 of my foot on the brake and have it slide off. That could be ugly.
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Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Aug 12 2005, 02:03 PM
Yeah, it can be. Unfortunately, depending on your exact body size and leg length, the geometry sometimes just works out so that if the only practical way to try it. My knee doesn't fit using the classic heel-toe position you described.
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To learn/practice/perfect heal-toe you do it on the street when you are not pushing the car, and then continue to practice/perfect on the track. If you're learning on the track, you're behind the curve. This is not something that you want to think about while on the track, when you should be thinking about where you're going and what's around you and so many other things.
Heal-toe is done to help keep the car smooth and balanced. It has nothing to do with how hard you are braking or how fast you are going.
I am 6'2" and 225lbs, but wear a shoe size of 11 A. The S2000 pedals are too far apart for me to heal-toe in driving shoes, so I replace the pedals with Sparco Carbon pedals.
( http://www.sparcousa.com/ptuning_pedals.asp?id=211 )
If you want to see pictures of how your foot should be place, this will give you a good idea, get a copy of the book "Going Faster, Mastering the Art of Race Driving" by The Skip Barber Racing School. pages 93-96
Heal-toe is done to help keep the car smooth and balanced. It has nothing to do with how hard you are braking or how fast you are going.
I am 6'2" and 225lbs, but wear a shoe size of 11 A. The S2000 pedals are too far apart for me to heal-toe in driving shoes, so I replace the pedals with Sparco Carbon pedals.
( http://www.sparcousa.com/ptuning_pedals.asp?id=211 )
If you want to see pictures of how your foot should be place, this will give you a good idea, get a copy of the book "Going Faster, Mastering the Art of Race Driving" by The Skip Barber Racing School. pages 93-96
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Originally Posted by coop,Aug 12 2005, 04:32 PM
To learn/practice/perfect heal-toe you do it on the street when you are not pushing the car, and then continue to practice/perfect on the track. If you're learning on the track, you're behind the curve. This is not something that you want to think about while on the track, when you should be thinking about where you're going and what's around you and so many other things.
Heal-toe is done to help keep the car smooth and balanced. It has nothing to do with how hard you are braking or how fast you are going.
I am 6'2" and 225lbs, but wear a shoe size of 11 A. The S2000 pedals are too far apart for me to heal-toe in driving shoes, so I replace the pedals with Sparco Carbon pedals.
( http://www.sparcousa.com/ptuning_pedals.asp?id=211 )
If you want to see pictures of how your foot should be place, this will give you a good idea, get a copy of the book "Going Faster, Mastering the Art of Race Driving" by The Skip Barber Racing School. pages 93-96
Heal-toe is done to help keep the car smooth and balanced. It has nothing to do with how hard you are braking or how fast you are going.
I am 6'2" and 225lbs, but wear a shoe size of 11 A. The S2000 pedals are too far apart for me to heal-toe in driving shoes, so I replace the pedals with Sparco Carbon pedals.
( http://www.sparcousa.com/ptuning_pedals.asp?id=211 )
If you want to see pictures of how your foot should be place, this will give you a good idea, get a copy of the book "Going Faster, Mastering the Art of Race Driving" by The Skip Barber Racing School. pages 93-96
I want to add that although there is a "proper" way to put your feet on the pedals, there are alternatives that you can make work for yourself. Make sure you practice it enough that you're safe and consistent.
I recall a conversation between a great trumpet player and our teacher...
teacher: "You should change your technique. You'll never be able to hit the high Cs with you using your lips like that."
student: "Oh that's too bad, you mean like this?" (perfect high Cs and better with his 'incorrect technique.')
teacher: "Right. Nevermind."
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Originally Posted by twohoos,Aug 12 2005, 02:46 PM
I found it helpful to lower the driver's seat, making it easier to rotate my leg/knee under the wheel. A race seat would accomplish the same thing.
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Originally Posted by L8-APX,Aug 12 2005, 07:43 PM
I want to add that although there is a "proper" way to put your feet on the pedals, there are alternatives that you can make work for yourself. Make sure you practice it enough that you're safe and consistent.
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Thats what I do too. My legs won't bend enough to let me do it the other way.The RX-7 had a nice aluminum bracket that attached to the side of the gas pedal to make the gap smaller and make it easier to heel-toe this way. I like it because it didn't sit on top of the pedal, so it didn't change the height of the pedal any.
It was great. I wish I could remember who made it. It would be all over the RX-7 forums though.
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there are many cars i've driven and have experience heel toeing in... and so far the s2000 is by far the easiest to perform it well on... i just do the old school toe on brake, then rotate my foot to hit the gas with my heel. also wear a size 10-10.5 in fat nike dunks