Need a left front lower control arm...
Originally Posted by Dipstick' timestamp='1341304814' post='21830152
Makes we want a full cage now...
@ Sam...I may take you up on that, let you know in a day or two...
I think it was a year or two ago that an older gentleman went off at Big Willow in a Mini Cooper, I think during a NASA event, and passed away.
All it takes is for a tire to go flat (puncture, debead, etc) or hit something slick (car spraying oil, coolant, dirt/sand kicked on track) in a fast sweeper and you're toast.
By this logic, you should be tracking nothing except a fully caged car with halo seats and the appropriate restraints. The common "rollbar harness seat" only protects you from rollovers, not lateral impacts and the lateral impacts that can happen as a result of rolling sideways...
In a street car on a road course, I'm not willing to push as hard as a lot of other guys for a number of reasons including safety (others being wear/tear). I prefer to leave a larger safety margin to allow for the unexpected. So you say you've dropped two off; is that safe? Most of the time, it's probably fine and not a big deal (though more wear and tear). What happens if there's a big rut? Or if you slide sideways off into the dirt/grass/etc. Probably 49 out of 50 times, it'll be fine. What about that one time there's a rut that'll catch your wheel and roll the car?
I've been watching racing since I was 5 and seen all sorts of accidents. Sometimes, things that look like they will be fine end up in a bad way due to the unexpected. Heck, at my last motorcycle track day at Buttonwillow, one of the control riders (very experienced guys) had something happen in Talladega/Riverside/whatever it's called; totaled bike (Ducati), broken femur among other many broken bones and maybe a punctured lung. And this was a guy with years and years of track experience on a bike.
Like I said, we all take calculated risks. Some more risks than others. In my case, I'm just out having fun. I'm not getting paid to do it, I have nothing to prove. So for me, I'll dial it down a notch.
I wuss out and stay with Regional Club racing (SCCA). Less on the line and people tend to give each other a little more space rather than "rubbing is racing." I feel a little weird getting out on track in anything but a halo seat, HANS and full fire gear.
Anyway, everything is a cost:benefit ratio. The benefit being how much fun I'm having. The cost is what happens when things go wrong. In the case of the car, if you're lucky, it could be no damage to the alignment getting knocked out a bit. Worst, the car is totaled and the driver is in the hospital or dead. Looking at professional drivers, their 'benefit' is their salary, driving some of the most exclusive/badass machinary and also glory in winning in a professional race, so the much greater benefit makes the high cost (potential death) a better ratio. Note that they also have safety items in place to minimize likelyhood of the potential cost.
I've conducted my own cost:benefit ratio analysis. I did a two-day motorcycle trackday weekend over which there were 14 crashes sending half of those guys to the hospital (not to mention the wrecked bikes). I therefore backed it off (still having fun), made it home in one piece without any life-long altering injuries, and no damange to my pocketbook. About 4 years ago, I did four laps of the Nurburgring. I lost count of how many cars and bikes wrecked, but I saw a totaled brand new Civic SI and a totaled 911 GT3; I don't know about you guys, but I sure as hell can't afford to write those off. Probably the worst story I have is related to motorcycle riding. When I first moved out here, I went for a ride with some guys that had been riding for a while and they were hauling ass in the canyons. On the ride home, we were splitting lanes which I do cautiously and they were flying between cars. I let them go and went home at my own pace. Two weeks later, I found out one of the guys was in a very bad wreck in the canyons and was in critical condition. He had two little girls. Was the benefit worth the cost?
So, in my opinion, I think everyone needs to conduct their own cost:benefit analysis and then determine their driving behaviors. Sorry if I come off as a bit preachy, but after having done track days for over a decade, I don't think many people really think of the potential costs. Hell, I did a lot of stupid shit when I was a teenager and in college because I didn't think and I managed to make it out alive; But I look back and consider myself lucky as I could easily be dead.
Originally Posted by CKit' timestamp='1341452341' post='21834599
I feel a little weird getting out on track in anything but a halo seat, HANS and full fire gear.
Anyway, everything is a cost:benefit ratio. The benefit being how much fun I'm having. The cost is what happens when things go wrong. In the case of the car, if you're lucky, it could be no damage to the alignment getting knocked out a bit. Worst, the car is totaled and the driver is in the hospital or dead. Looking at professional drivers, their 'benefit' is their salary, driving some of the most exclusive/badass machinary and also glory in winning in a professional race, so the much greater benefit makes the high cost (potential death) a better ratio. Note that they also have safety items in place to minimize likelyhood of the potential cost.
I've conducted my own cost:benefit ratio analysis. I did a two-day motorcycle trackday weekend over which there were 14 crashes sending half of those guys to the hospital (not to mention the wrecked bikes). I therefore backed it off (still having fun), made it home in one piece without any life-long altering injuries, and no damange to my pocketbook. About 4 years ago, I did four laps of the Nurburgring. I lost count of how many cars and bikes wrecked, but I saw a totaled brand new Civic SI and a totaled 911 GT3; I don't know about you guys, but I sure as hell can't afford to write those off. Probably the worst story I have is related to motorcycle riding. When I first moved out here, I went for a ride with some guys that had been riding for a while and they were hauling ass in the canyons. On the ride home, we were splitting lanes which I do cautiously and they were flying between cars. I let them go and went home at my own pace. Two weeks later, I found out one of the guys was in a very bad wreck in the canyons and was in critical condition. He had two little girls. Was the benefit worth the cost?
So, in my opinion, I think everyone needs to conduct their own cost:benefit analysis and then determine their driving behaviors. Sorry if I come off as a bit preachy, but after having done track days for over a decade, I don't think many people really think of the potential costs. Hell, I did a lot of stupid shit when I was a teenager and in college because I didn't think and I managed to make it out alive; But I look back and consider myself lucky as I could easily be dead.
If anyone cares, new arms are on the car and West End was able to get my alignment (seems like no other frame damage).
Had the car at SOWS and SMMR since, feels tight!
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