hey thanks for the pictures thats very usefull - I guess thats the harddog with raised removal harness bar?
I have the harddog with the low welded harness bar I'd have to put the straps over/under the bulkhead which is no way safe on a track

apart from that I think I'm legal so if I keep it local I might be ok

 

Yeah, my mind would be blown if ANYONE protested you for something like that and what Mike/Marc mentioned. The SP and later classes seem to be that way - far less protests over that kind of weenie stuff when it adds no performance value. Good luck, BSP trim level s2000's are an absolute blast to drive in a solo environment.

 

I believe so... Charles Kim (CKit) originally purchased this bar and most of the car's previous setup. I took it further for SSM rules but opted to not cut up the CR tonneau and just swap interiors in and out whether running the track or auto-x. I keep the CR (SSM) interior pieces and rollbar pieces (track) as 2 separate . Wish it was easier!

I also agree with Nick, even if you did the things I proposed and feel are non performance, nobody here including myself would protest you. If you won National Tours and recieved contingency money/prizes, thats when I would expect papers to get thrown. I made a point to run my cars 100% legal despite the extra effort, but wanted the ability to make these cars more reliable and overall better/more appealing to run in SP. Having SP match/allow the more common track mods in general would be a huge gain for participation both ways IMO, but the SCCA continues down the path of more confusing routes unfortunately.

-Marc

 

Marc,

I still have to believe that someone just was having a bad day when those clarifications were posted, and I stand by my assertion that the things you were trying to do are legal as the rules are written. Usually, controversial clarifications spawn rule change proposals, and none were issued, and the rules have not been changed to reflect the interpretations you were given. Complete package conversions are not required for *SP, and fly in the face of the culture of SP. UD/BD can be done on a part-by-part basis, as long as other allowances are not violated.

 

Good to know, but too late for me. I have found much more enjoyment in other areas of the sport. As for BSP and the SCCA, so much was ignored, overlooked, rejected, and given the ol "not as intended" answer, I still believe there was an agenda and the burden of proof is on the SCCA to explain how this was soo mishandled. A bad day was more like a bad year. Anyways, this isn't a shot at you, Hopefully Dave gets my old BSP car where I wanted it to be. I wish him the best and spent lots of time setting that car up for him and will continue to share my knowledge for those interested.

 

Marc, how did the harnesses route from the harness bar to the seat? Did they go through the middle of the OEM roll hoop?
Also, did you just not put the soft top tray back in the car, or how did that work with the back legs of the bar?

I keep telling myself I'm not putting a roll bar in my car, but its probably just a matter of time at this point.

 

-The belts go right through the seats to the harness bar.

-The harness bar sits in front of the roll hoop.

-When I run the track setup, no tray goes in although it would be easy to put back if desired without any modification.

-The bar was designed to fir around the softop at the expense of cutting up the plastic interior pieces, but those are cheap. Just find some extras online, purchase, and cut away!

 

Gutting the rear is a safety issue to properly install a harness/seat and rollbar so it kinda sucks to get put in a crappy auto-x class.
I guess the rules work for 4 seater cars to where you don't have to remove rear interior just not our cars because theres no room back there

where it says you can modify fender liners I guess that doesn't mean you can remove them?

 

no you cannot remove the fender liners.

 

you can cut the fender liners for clearance but not remove it completely. I've had my Mugen hardtop for two seasons. I never run with a hardtop on. If it rains and I have to run with a top on, I'm rolling the dice but I'm calling comfort and convenience and see where things fall from there. I don't believe any of the BSP competitors today would truly protest me under rain conditions. I think the only real concern with that rule was that someone could create a more aerodynamic hardtop to make a rear spoiler more effective and run that in the dry.