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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Orthonormal
Originally Posted by PedalFaster' timestamp='1324058244' post='21242811
In addition, mid-engined cars put down power much better than front-engined ones in limited traction situations; my best national-level showing ever was in a Boxster in the rain, when I beat the next fastest guy at a Tour by almost a second.
And to reinforce your point, that other driver and car were a second faster than you and the Boxster S on the dry day, if you're talking about the event I think you are.
Gee, thanks for reminding me.
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 10:36 AM
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I wouldn't care if I saw somebody bling up their engine bay... unless they beat me.

You would have to leave the stock radiator shroud in place. Can you do that and bolt in that plate?
The stock radiator shroud has slots (left side) to direct/allow fresh air from the front of the car to enter the OEM airbox. This makes it part of the 'intake system'. Also, the ABS radiator shroud could in no way could be considered structural.

My belief is that removing the radiator shroud and adding the AUX Cooling Plate would fall under replacing part of the air intake system.

Again the key word here is 'system' (an assemblage or combination of things or parts forming a complex or unitary whole)

14. STREET TOURING CATEGORY
14.10 ENGINE AND DRIVETRAIN
C. The air intake system up to, but not including, the engine inlet may be
modified or replaced. The engine inlet is the throttle body, carburetor,
compressor inlet, or intake manifold, whichever comes first. The
existing structure of the car may not be modified for the passage of
ducting from the air cleaner to the engine inlet. Holes may be drilled
for mounting. Emissions or engine management components in the
air intake system, such as a PCV valve, or mass airflow sensor, may
not be removed, modified, or replaced, and must retain their original
function along the flow path.
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 03:16 PM
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Shoot, using that logic, I can swap the bumper since it had openings that bring air into the engine bay.

Seriously? What does Honda call that part? Its not part of the intake, regardless ofthe fact that it's design lets the intake do its job.
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mLeach
Shoot, using that logic, I can swap the bumper since it had openings that bring air into the engine bay.

Seriously?
I agree with mLeach. The fact that you can convince yourself that a part's legal doesn't mean a protest committee will necessarily agree. Whenever you put a part on your car that requires creative rules interpretation to consider legal, you're taking a risk. Whether that risk is worth taking is up to you, but I certainly wouldn't take it for a cooling plate.

Note that all of the above refers to national-level competition. At local events, rules enforcement tends to be more casual -- for an innocuous part like a cooling plate, I'd just talk to your competitors beforehand to ensure they know about it and are ok with it.
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mLeach
. . . Seriously? What does Honda call that part? . . .
Ummm, Honda calls it "PLATE, AIR GUIDE"
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 12:26 AM
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Could someone write a letter and post up what they say? Calling it a "plate air guide" from Honda makes it questionable.
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by PedalFaster
I agree with mLeach. The fact that you can convince yourself that a part's legal doesn't mean a protest committee will necessarily agree. Whenever you put a part on your car that requires creative rules interpretation to consider legal, you're taking a risk. Whether that risk is worth taking is up to you, but I certainly wouldn't take it for a cooling plate.

Note that all of the above refers to national-level competition. At local events, rules enforcement tends to be more casual -- for an innocuous part like a cooling plate, I'd just talk to your competitors beforehand to ensure they know about it and are ok with it.
It's not about convincing myself a part is legal. It's about understanding the function of the design of the radiator cowl. It is specifically designed to direct air into the airbox, hence Honda calling it an Air Guide Plate. It functions as part of the air intake system.

Though I agree, since even some S2000 owners don't seem to understand it's function, I doubt a protest committee would.
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 08:22 AM
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First of all, what the part is called in the manufacturer's documentation has been stated to be irrelevant (by the SEB in a prior clarification) -- it is the actual function of the part that is important.

I think that if the part is physically separate from the intake tract, it's not an ironclad defense to claim that it's part of the intake system because it directs fresh air into the vicinity of the air inlet.

Modifying or replacing a part that serves two functions, especially when you're basing the modification's legality on the secondary function, is at best a grey area.
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 10:54 AM
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As if the giant hole in the front of the car that seamlessly blends into this "plate, air guide" is there only to facilitate a small surface for which a few slots are provided to allow a tiny amount of fresh air near the combustion air intake....

Right.

I would suppose that the primary function of this plate is to direct air into the RADIATOR. I would also suppose that a cooling plate does nothing and might possibly hurt performance.
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by glagola1
As if the giant hole in the front of the car that seamlessly blends into this "plate, air guide" is there only to facilitate a small surface for which a few slots are provided to allow a tiny amount of fresh air near the combustion air intake....

Right.

I would suppose that the primary function of this plate is to direct air into the RADIATOR. I would also suppose that a cooling plate does nothing and might possibly hurt performance.
I agree that the primary function is to direct air through the radiator and some holes to allow some air to flow to the intake. The result being that you cannot remove or modify this existing plate.
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