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Old Jul 17, 2013 | 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by PedalFaster
Sorry if this has been asked and answered already (I skimmed every page in this thread but could have missed it): how much camber can you get at a moderate ride height (say 13" hub center to fender) *without* a camber kit?

I'm thinking about doing a low budget STR build, and am wondering how much I'd be giving up if I skipped a kit.

Thanks!

Edit: I can get between -1.8 and -2.0 degrees at stock ride height, depending on the rack and the day.
I didn't get significantly more camber when I lowered the car without camber joints, I think it went from -1.8 to -2.0.
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Old Jul 17, 2013 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by PedalFaster
Sorry if this has been asked and answered already (I skimmed every page in this thread but could have missed it): how much camber can you get at a moderate ride height (say 13" hub center to fender) *without* a camber kit?

I'm thinking about doing a low budget STR build, and am wondering how much I'd be giving up if I skipped a kit.

Thanks!

Edit: I can get between -1.8 and -2.0 degrees at stock ride height, depending on the rack and the day.
with my front height at 13.25" from hub center to fender I was able to get 2.25 degrees up front with no other mods
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Old Jul 17, 2013 | 06:50 AM
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Huh, that sucks. Oh well -- thanks for the responses!
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Old Jul 22, 2013 | 10:11 AM
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Anyone done good testing on camber settings for the Rivals? I'm -3.1F/-2.7 rear and the insides seem to be wearing quicker then the outsides. I do drive the car on the street some so I'm not 100% sure if my wear is slightly inaccurate because of that.

So to get less than -2.7 in the rear I'd have to raise the car up. Question is how much do I have to raise it to get .2 less degrees? Anyone know?
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Old Jul 22, 2013 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by josh7owens
Anyone done good testing on camber settings for the Rivals? I'm -3.1F/-2.7 rear and the insides seem to be wearing quicker then the outsides. I do drive the car on the street some so I'm not 100% sure if my wear is slightly inaccurate because of that.

So to get less than -2.7 in the rear I'd have to raise the car up. Question is how much do I have to raise it to get .2 less degrees? Anyone know?
According to this camber chart. It looks like about a 1 to 1 ratio. So about .2 inches.

https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/802...#entry19100186
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Old Jul 22, 2013 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PedalFaster
Sorry if this has been asked and answered already (I skimmed every page in this thread but could have missed it): how much camber can you get at a moderate ride height (say 13" hub center to fender) *without* a camber kit?

I'm thinking about doing a low budget STR build, and am wondering how much I'd be giving up if I skipped a kit.

Thanks!

Edit: I can get between -1.8 and -2.0 degrees at stock ride height, depending on the rack and the day.
I'm at 13" hub center to fender and have -2.5 up front. No camber kit. AP2.
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Old Mar 17, 2014 | 05:20 AM
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Anyone have thoughts on the Eibach Multi Pro R2 Coils with 650 F 650 R spring rates? Picked those up and wondering if the square setup will be ok to start with. Other mod would be either the Moddicitions or V2 adjustable bar so I would be able to get some high rates to compensate up front. Never ran square before and hope its going to be ok to start with.
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Old Mar 17, 2014 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by hinduboy74
Anyone have thoughts on the Eibach Multi Pro R2 Coils with 650 F 650 R spring rates? Picked those up and wondering if the square setup will be ok to start with. Other mod would be either the Moddicitions or V2 adjustable bar so I would be able to get some high rates to compensate up front. Never ran square before and hope its going to be ok to start with.
This would be close on what people are running on front and rear as most are around 800/600. With even springs like that you would likely need big frt bar and no rear bar

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Old Mar 17, 2014 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by hinduboy74
Anyone have thoughts on the Eibach Multi Pro R2 Coils with 650 F 650 R spring rates? Picked those up and wondering if the square setup will be ok to start with. Other mod would be either the Moddicitions or V2 adjustable bar so I would be able to get some high rates to compensate up front. Never ran square before and hope its going to be ok to start with.
Assuming you have stock bars, with that setup I'd probably disconnect the rear bar. The car will be really soft but should be ok.

While it is purely theoretical, you can get a general idea of car balance with roll rate biases. Per a discussion with mLeach, however, a national competitor's setup threw all that theoretical nonesense out the window... It is a good rule of thumb, no less, and has allowed me to make big bar changes without dramatically affecting balance.
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Old Mar 17, 2014 | 07:57 AM
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I'm glad you said to disconnect the rear since I thought the same. The moddicitions bar goes 644lbs to 739lbs and the V2 should go from 644 to 820 so that should hopefully be enough.
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