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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by LUV2REV,Apr 11 2006, 08:41 PM
That explains why the SRT-4 beat fours STi's, a WRX and an EVO 8 amongst others to take it's class at the One Lap with it's inferior FWD layout. Better yet, I think the 8th overall is a better testament to the cars ability. The One Lap is a great test of the overall pedigree of any vehicle that enters. The AWD cars were sure superior were they not (and not stock for that matter) ? It's unfortunate all the fanboy's here cannot except the fact the SRT-4 is a solid "all-around" performer in stock guise and can be made formidable with minimal investment. Then, said fanboy has to resort to the tired "It's still a Neon" qoute.
The One lap of america, was open to ANYONE. The one lap of america IS NOT representative of the best drivers in the country. Therefore, driver easily accounts for a lot of what happened at onelap. Heck, this "national" event only had 93 cars entered in it. Look at an SCCA championship national event. You have probably that same number of cars in A-stock and B-stock alone! Not to mention, it's not open to anyone who's got the money to enter. You actually have to compete your way into such a championship race.

bottom line is, mod for mod, the SRT4 would get owned in the handling department by just about any RWD or AWD vehicle.

face facts. the SRT4 is a POOR all around performer. it excels in straight line capacity and that's it. Hell, look at dodge, they had to once again create an ACR version of the SRT4 just to be COMPETITIVE in D-stock, and even then it's nothing more than mid tier.
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by vtec9,Apr 12 2006, 06:13 AM
If I remember correctly, a PT cruiser was in the top 20 finishers.. your logic is flawed.
It is VERY flawed. as i said, one lap of america did NOT have anywhere NEAR the "best drivers" available for the cars that were driven.


Per their website:

"What does it take to run in the Tire Rack Car and Driver Cannonball One Lap of America? A car of course (and there's a competition class to fit every automobile). The entry fee ($2500). A minimum of two drivers who have each had some racing experience (and/or two drivers' schools). "

haha yeah, that narrows it down to the best drivers in the country alright.
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 07:17 AM
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John Heinricy also drove a modded Cobalt SS to beat a slew of highly-modded cars (including rwd and 4wd imports) in a recent invitational competition. Does this mean you should take respect the Cobalt? Feh. Respect Mr. Hein-rocket.
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 08:36 AM
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I agree. in cases such as that respect the driver, not the car. he was the better driver that day.
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Wisconsin S2k,Apr 12 2006, 07:06 AM
Also the car was modded to all heck. have you ever seen the national championships for auto-x or any kind of road racing? in stock/near stock form the SRT4 gets its ASS handed to it.
So were the STi's and Evo. Contradicting ? No, not at all. My simple point is that an SRT-4 beat modified AWD/RWD competition amongst others at the One Lap, nothing more, nothing less. I feel no hurt and could care less if the SRT-4 does not shine on an SCCA Solo course in stock format (sigh, fanboy redeems himself). If that makes you feel better, all the power to you.
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by LUV2REV,Apr 12 2006, 12:06 PM
So were the STi's and Evo. Contradicting ? No, not at all. My simple point is that an SRT-4 beat modified AWD/RWD competition amongst others at the One Lap, nothing more, nothing less. I feel no hurt and could care less if the SRT-4 does not shine on an SCCA Solo course in stock format (sigh, fanboy redeems himself). If that makes you feel better, all the power to you.
bro i dont know who youre calling fanboy, but its a fact that fwd is inferior in both road-race conditions and drag conditions. thank god wisconsin came out and said what i was trying to get at. i feel like im taking crazy pills listening to this guy talk about equally modded rwd/awd cars losing to fwd cars.
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 10:59 AM
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[QUOTE=nalVle,Apr 12 2006, 10:32 AM] bro i dont know who youre calling fanboy, but its a fact that fwd is inferior in both road-race conditions and drag conditions.
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by LUV2REV,Apr 12 2006, 11:06 AM
So were the STi's and Evo. Contradicting ? No, not at all. My simple point is that an SRT-4 beat modified AWD/RWD competition amongst others at the One Lap, nothing more, nothing less. I feel no hurt and could care less if the SRT-4 does not shine on an SCCA Solo course in stock format (sigh, fanboy redeems himself). If that makes you feel better, all the power to you.
Which still leaves the driver aspect. You're entire argument that the SRT4 is a great all around performer rests solely on this "one lap of america" when it's more than obvious the results here are hardly representative of the car's involved and their true capabilities with the best drivers. there were far lesser drivers in the STi's/EVO's than there were in the SRT4. period!

I can run a geo metro around a track faster than my mom could run that track with my S2000.... so should i come on here and use that as an example of how great an all around performer the metro is?
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by LUV2REV,Apr 12 2006, 12:59 PM
I should be taking crazy pills having to bear your poor grammar and general incorrigibility. I simply stated that a modded SRT-4 beat within it's class, equally modded STi's an Evo 8, Mk4 Supra and more at the 1995 One Hour which tests all aspects of performance capabilities in any car that enters, not just sheer straightline speed.
albeit against much poorer drivers than were in the SRT4. which is why this "one lap" event can't be used with any kind of merit or even in any seriousness.

Then I get the SCCA banter and all the other rubbish from the fanboys who preside over this forum.
so me providing instances where the BEST DRIVERS compete their way to the top championship races, thus giving us a MUCH better picture of how the SRT4 is actually capable of performing, is me being a "fanboy"?? your one lap argument is so ridiculous it's not even worth talking about any more. if you're going to use "race results" as your entire basis of argument, you might want to find something more concrete that actually has substance and merit to it.

what's next, we're going to determine who's car is fastest using magazine 1/4 mile times?
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Old Apr 12, 2006 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by LUV2REV,Apr 12 2006, 01:59 PM
I should be taking crazy pills having to bear your poor grammar and general incorrigibility. I simply stated that a modded SRT-4 beat within it's class, equally modded STi's an Evo 8, Mk4 Supra and more at the 1995 One Hour which tests all aspects of performance capabilities in any car that enters, not just sheer straightline speed. Then I get the SCCA banter and all the other rubbish from the fanboys who preside over this forum. Where did I state FWD was superior to RWD/AWD in any of my posts ?? Congratulations, you are now officially part retard.
please point out my grammar mistakes. its funny too...name-calling coming from a 32 year old.
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