This doesn't sound right, but if it is, then it's a great deal. The N2 tank system you can get at any welding supply shop, and the Pressure gauge (Penske BTW) you can get from Elda or Racer's Group (Infineon).

 

ya, eric price was much lower than i thought itd be haha, so basically the general consensus is that eric messley's penskes is the way to go?

 

Remember, the Motons are quite a bit more than just expensive JRZ's... if that's all they were, then all the WC and ALMS teams - and pretty much all sports cars globally - would save a couple bucks and buy JRZ's. The Motons are an evolutionary design, and better in many ways.

 

better specifically how?

 

Supposedly tolerances and cooling efficiency is improved on the Motons. However, I have seen no data only hear say. And most of that has come from individuals affiliated with retail of either brand in some manner. Comparable Motons aren't just a couple hundreds bucks more than JRZ either. And the Motons require additional assembly. Not to mention the top hats are not provided. But then again, if you are in WC, ALMS or sponsored by Moton, I suppose you can have them made to order.

The main reason WC and ALMS teams choose Moton is track side support. If there are any suspension issues, they are usually dealt with quickly. Shocks can be rebuilt/revalved at the event. For most club racers, this is not an issue. Not that problems will not occur, but rather you won't have a Moton truck waiting for you in the paddock at a track day. So where is the value added cost showing appreciation?

Not that I am in any way affiliated with any sponsors or brands, but the JRZ 3-way (as sold by Wael at Elda) is a bolt on solution. For the DIYer these appear to be the best option in terms of ease of install, price and performance. The JRZ is not a compromise over the Moton, nor inferior in any way. Until someone can provide data (shock dyno #'s etc.) to refute this statement, I will stand by it.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by M5150
and what happens if i want to go to a very smooth track where i can afford to stiffen up the high speed compression and compression for more sensativity and quicker turn in?

 

If you've never been on a track before, you'd be way better off staying stock, or buying some Koni Yellows and springs, and spending the savings on more track time. You can really screw up the handling of your car with multi-adjustable shocks, and if you don't have a lot of track experience, you may not even know you're doing yourself damage.

Steve

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Asura
Supposedly tolerances and cooling efficiency is improved on the Motons.

 

I would have to say no- the JRZ's are not a compromise based on laptimes.

The design differences between Moton and JRZ are subtle. Parts are even interchangeable.
The Penske shocks use different technology. You get Eric's priceless expertise. I have a feeling that no matter who you ask, the marketing pitch is going to be positive from either camp. Since you are in SoCal and close to EMI, I would think that would be a logical conclusion. Nice to have the local support. Like everyone has stated above, it matters not what brand you use, but who the tuner is.
I like that JRZ's can be installed at home. Not to mention that there are at least 4-5 fast guys using JRZ's in CA that you can compare your laptimes to. That way you will be able to see how many seconds off your laptime is by comparison (assuming cars are otherwise similarly modded).

Penske or JRZ, you can't go wrong either way. You might want to check the recommended rebuild interval on both. Make sure they are tuned by a professional like Eric. The faster drivers know the pitfalls of having too many adjustment options and the associated learning curve.
It would be nice to have a baseline laptime (at any track) before and after installing new suspension. This way you could quantify any improvement you might feel, all other factors being equal.

 

now heres a hard question, would you consider eric's tuning superior to wael's suspension tuning over the past 2 years getting the valving supposedly "perfect" for our cars?