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Originally Posted by AirborneS2K,Nov 7 2007, 04:26 PM
Thats why those of us that are truly passionate about speed and cars never leave them as close to stock unless we have the lack of money, anything else is just a pathetic excuse.
A race consists of a starting point and finishing point, whoever gets to the finish first wins. I could give less of a shit if you can tear off the line and pull out 1.6 60fts out of your ass every time, if I can cover that ground to the finish line, wherever that is, whether it be 1 mile, 1/2 mile, 1/4 mile, 1/8, then YOU LOSE. period. There is no 'game' that you win or he wins inside that race.
Yes, you point out the strengths of each of our cars, but in a race, you go from A to B and if you don't beat that car to point B, you lose, case closed. Yet here you are talking crap about the 'bolt on vs bolt on' dollar for dollar value of mods to an s2k vs STi in a straight line race...you want to get into cost vs speed? I bought my car for a hell of a lot less than you bought yours for, I'm pretty damn certain of that, and even if I went supercharged, I'm pretty sure I could still beat you in the 1/4 with a setup costing less than 8k.
Accept the fact that your STi needs a shit ton MORE money to hang with a turbo'd S2K and either stick to your grounds (stock evos, mazdaspeed 3s, CTR/ITRs, etc.) or get beaten and accept it without trying to make yourself feel better by trying to say everyone has a 'game' within a race.
A race consists of a starting point and finishing point, whoever gets to the finish first wins. I could give less of a shit if you can tear off the line and pull out 1.6 60fts out of your ass every time, if I can cover that ground to the finish line, wherever that is, whether it be 1 mile, 1/2 mile, 1/4 mile, 1/8, then YOU LOSE. period. There is no 'game' that you win or he wins inside that race.
Yes, you point out the strengths of each of our cars, but in a race, you go from A to B and if you don't beat that car to point B, you lose, case closed. Yet here you are talking crap about the 'bolt on vs bolt on' dollar for dollar value of mods to an s2k vs STi in a straight line race...you want to get into cost vs speed? I bought my car for a hell of a lot less than you bought yours for, I'm pretty damn certain of that, and even if I went supercharged, I'm pretty sure I could still beat you in the 1/4 with a setup costing less than 8k.
Accept the fact that your STi needs a shit ton MORE money to hang with a turbo'd S2K and either stick to your grounds (stock evos, mazdaspeed 3s, CTR/ITRs, etc.) or get beaten and accept it without trying to make yourself feel better by trying to say everyone has a 'game' within a race.
I know every car in the world had their weak point, and if some one comes in to a S2K forum and pick on the S2K weak point then why even try to compare the two cars. I could have said to you that your STI is not a sport car so you can't compare the S2K with the STI. Look up the definition on sport car. 
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Originally Posted by ChefJ,Nov 6 2007, 02:40 PM
380whp on pump gas, 470whp on c16.
90 hp just by changing the gas and tune. I doubt it.
90 hp just by changing the gas and tune. I doubt it.
380whp is the low end of the pump gas spectrum, while 470wp is the high end (at least what i've seen so far, after i sold my Evo i havn't been really keeping up with what's going on) of c16 numbers.
but race gas does magic on evo's, because the 4g63 is magic with big boost
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Originally Posted by jwa4378,Nov 7 2007, 03:05 PM
I am not sure the STi is better mod-dollar for mod-dollar... See this quote:
The HP Performance kit for the S2k is available for $5200 + 750 for GT35R upgrade... With a head gasket and a tune, you should be in that power range NO PROBLEM. When you talk about replacing and upgrading the turbo's, headers, intercoolers, etc. you are looking at similar items for both vehicles.... (Upgrading an existing system vs. purchase entirely new system for car does not affect the price if they involve the same components). Prices should be roughly the same across vehicles... It is no longer $7500+ to successfully go FI on the S anymore. I guess the amount of time its been out plus the number of cars trading hands in the secondary market, it was inevitable... I will admit that it is easier to get power out of the STi in the lower dollar realms, but when you talk about $5000-7000, I think they just about even out...
Subie's are nice, though. I am looking into getting a new STi when the body style changes again... I hope they come out with the hatch...
Good run.
John
The HP Performance kit for the S2k is available for $5200 + 750 for GT35R upgrade... With a head gasket and a tune, you should be in that power range NO PROBLEM. When you talk about replacing and upgrading the turbo's, headers, intercoolers, etc. you are looking at similar items for both vehicles.... (Upgrading an existing system vs. purchase entirely new system for car does not affect the price if they involve the same components). Prices should be roughly the same across vehicles... It is no longer $7500+ to successfully go FI on the S anymore. I guess the amount of time its been out plus the number of cars trading hands in the secondary market, it was inevitable... I will admit that it is easier to get power out of the STi in the lower dollar realms, but when you talk about $5000-7000, I think they just about even out...
Subie's are nice, though. I am looking into getting a new STi when the body style changes again... I hope they come out with the hatch...
Good run.
John
if it were that cheap to get that power level out of an s2k a lot more turbo'ed s2k would be roaming the streets IMO.
though i agree it's true though for most cars that after a certain HP level the dollar/power ratio becomes similar. evo/sti's are dirt cheap to get to the 300-400whp level imo, but after that it starts to get "pricey" relatively speaking.
the s2k will still cost more to make as reliable at that point....just not as much as the easy initial gains on factory turbo'ed cars with decently stout block.
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I was wondering that to why fight over mod for mod?
If we all wanted a car to go fast in a straight line I think this place would be called ls1tech.
go race an LS1 camaro with I/H/E and tell us who has the better dollar for dollar bolt ons.
If we all wanted a car to go fast in a straight line I think this place would be called ls1tech.
go race an LS1 camaro with I/H/E and tell us who has the better dollar for dollar bolt ons.
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Originally Posted by stuntman21133,Nov 8 2007, 09:59 PM
I was wondering that to why fight over mod for mod?
If we all wanted a car to go fast in a straight line I think this place would be called ls1tech.
go race an LS1 camaro with I/H/E and tell us who has the better dollar for dollar bolt ons.
If we all wanted a car to go fast in a straight line I think this place would be called ls1tech.
go race an LS1 camaro with I/H/E and tell us who has the better dollar for dollar bolt ons.
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I was actually looking at getting an STI, but decided to go with the S2000. The thing that stopped me from buying the STI was the aesthetics. STI definitely suffers in the looks department, but nevertheless, the car can move. I prefer the S2000's handling style and looks. I'm really not interested in drag racing my S2000 since that is not really the point of the car, IMHO. Just my .02.
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Originally Posted by fusionchickenleg,Nov 8 2007, 07:54 PM
higher octane = higher boost = more power
380whp is the low end of the pump gas spectrum, while 470wp is the high end (at least what i've seen so far, after i sold my Evo i havn't been really keeping up with what's going on) of c16 numbers.
but race gas does magic on evo's, because the 4g63 is magic with big boost
380whp is the low end of the pump gas spectrum, while 470wp is the high end (at least what i've seen so far, after i sold my Evo i havn't been really keeping up with what's going on) of c16 numbers.
but race gas does magic on evo's, because the 4g63 is magic with big boost
come on. Its not even about turning up the boost. Its about pulling more timing.
Sure you can turn it up a few more pounds but 4 pounds of boost isn't going to yielt 90 whp.
adding 4 more pounds and pulling some more timeing because you are not worried about pre-detonation will.