Good Lord, here we go again....another Camaro/S2000 arguement.

What it comes down to is everyone and their mother has a Camaro, whereas with around only 50,000 S2000s produced, you won't see as many of them. Faster or not, I will take the S2000 that gets stares and compliments everywhere and can rip through turns in stock form like a street legal F1 car over your run of the mill, "oh, theres another Camaro...but it runs 11s at the track!".

I hate in the American culture that the worthiness of a sports car all to often is measured by how fast it can pass a quarter of a mile. If a high-13, 100 mph pass is not quick enough for you...more power to you. 136 mph in fifth gear with one more gear to go is plenty for me. There were seven of us flying down a two-lane highway this past Saturday at 120 mph with the tops down, and I am betting none of us were concerned about how quickly we reached that speed.

 

Just keep in mind that an S2000 does it with half the cylinders, and just a hair over a 1/3 of the displacement.

As Chris Stack said in another thread on these forums "Yeah, there are plenty of more powerful engines, but none was as perfectly designed and executed, but none is as powerful, pound for pound (err, liter for liter). When it came out, the HP/Liter contest looked like this:

1. Honda S2000
2. Ferrari 360 Modena."

Enough said.

 

of course if you want to talk "efficiency" then the worlds most efficient engine is just SLIGHTLY larger than the F20C1 in the S2000..

at 25,480 liters (111,143 ci) and 14 cylinders the Wartsila-Sulzer RTA96-C turbocharged two-stroke diesel engine is the most efficient prime mover on earth


Fuel consumption at maximum power is 0.278 lbs per hp per hour (Brake Specific Fuel Consumption). Fuel consumption at maximum economy is 0.260 lbs/hp/hour. At maximum economy the engine exceeds 50% thermal efficiency. That is, more than 50% of the energy in the fuel in converted to motion.
For comparison, most automotive and small aircraft engines have BSFC figures in the 0.40-0.60 lbs/hp/hr range and 25-30% thermal efficiency range.


now that's "efficiency" to me..

 

No where in my two posts did I say that the F20C1 is the most efficient engine ever produced, so I am not understanding what your point is.

 

Yeah, those S2K's weigh like 3600-3700 lbs right? Your S2K runs what shifting @ 5700 rpm? Your S2K makes how much torque?

By a Lightning if you want stares and they also only made 28K of them.

 

S2000s weigh a scant 2,800 pounds. And actually, when I am driving my S2000 hard, I don't shift until about 8,700-9,000.

You get stared at in a Lightning? All I see is a Ford Truck. You know, that they have made several million of? Its got some go under the hood, but everyone has seen a Ford Truck. Can you put the top down and go for a back two-lane cruise? I get asked "What kind of car is that? Thats sweet! It's a Honda, no way! I thought it was a Porsche! ".

And for the record, the S2000 has about 150-160 ft/lbs of torque at about 7,300 RPMs (in the AP1). But as stated above, if I wanted some numbers to brag about I would have bought something else (but when people ask what the horsepower number is, and I tell them, they are impressed witht hp/l) I wanted the classy, street-legal F1 performance that the S2000 brings.

https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.ph...pic=16087&st=0

 

You missed the point on that one....think outside the box...how would the S2K run if it weighed 3600-3700 lbs and shifted @ 5700 rpm. Then put a 3.23 gear into the equation...

V8's just get from point A to point B differently...does not mean they are junk because they don't make 120 hp per liter.

I get a couple of compliments a week in my normal F-150...but heh, you are entitled to your opinion...

But I guess Cobra's are nothing short of a glorified Mustang Coupe with a V6? They make millions of them eh?

I would not be telling anyone about that torque...

 

[QUOTE=CANTONRACER,Nov 4 2005, 09:37 AM] You missed the point on that one....think outside the box...how would the S2K run if it weighed 3600-3700 lbs and shifted @ 5700 rpm. Then put a

 

congratulations with the most ambiguous internet argument of all time, HP/Liter. HP/Liter is a marketing scheme designed by small motor fanbois who want more sales. The easiest and most logical way of increasing HP/Tq is to increase cubic inches, infact Honda did this with the AP2. The S2K is great for other reasons beyond the invisible ratio of HP/Liter.

the better ratio is HP/LB, because that is the one that wins races. When was the last time HP/Liter won a race for you?


Just remember how awesome your HP/Liter is next time I blast past you in my Camaro with my mullet dancing in the wind

 

For like the 1246546574564765478 time, who buys the S2000 to race it in a straight line? Do you honestly think I care that one Camaro out of 1232546574534165746 made can beat me? No, I don't. As stated above, I question whether or not you guys understand the appeal of the S2000, because from your posts one can assess you have no clue what it was intended for. As I have said on this thread, and on many others, 13.9 @ 100 mph is enough for me. If that is not quick enough for you, more power to you.

I drive an F1-inspired sports car every day, and while I take sharp 35 mph turns at 70 mph with a big grin on my face and the top down...I laugh at those such as yourself that are overly concerned with straight-line power. Congratulations, your car will beat mine in a straight-line. I won't lose any sleep over it. I drive a classy sports car, if I wanted something that had more horsepower and is driven by half the United States, I would have bought a Camaro/Mustang.

For the fourth time, why, brockLT1 are you posting here? Have you owned an S2000? Have you even driven one? Why troll and S2000 web community? There are plenty of Camaro/GM sites, why are you posting on a Honda based one?