Spartikus

You said with "a lot less" hp.

N/Apower

Okay, have it make 1100whp and see how the two compare. My point is Supra's perform poorly at the strip compared to how their whp would tend to indicate.

Spartikus

Here's a TT Lingenfelter. What a flat power curve....

Spartikus

I think what you're talking about is the Supras inability to gain traction. I heard it's mostly a suspension design problem. It was designed for the turns, and the 1300hp Supras are pushing it to do something it wasn't built for.

N/Apower

I think the fact that the Lingenfelther has more than double the rwhp than the Supra for a good several thousand RPM says a lot...Also look at tq. Check out some supra ET's with given rwhp and then check out some F-body or mustang ET's with the same hp.

Spartikus

You mean it has power where the Supra wouldn't be racing anyway? That doesn't make sense. Yeah, a Civic probably makes more power than my S2k before 6k, but that doesn't matter as I'm ripping past them.

F-body's and Mustangs don't have to deal with an IRS. Maybe that's why they hook better for better e.t.'s? I believe that's what I said above. It's not due to a "superior" powerband that they are faster, but because their suspensions were designed with straight lines more in mind.

N/Apower

Take a look at the charts...if both cars lose about 1200rpm on the shift, the Vette will be making VERY CLOSE TO THE SAME! rwhp as the Supra at the beginning of each new gear...now think of where the vette would be if it had the SAME! peak hp as the Supra...a good 300whp ahead of it.

PS> Cobra and Vette, in reguards to your IRS.

Spartikus

Are you looking at the same dyno charts I am? Subtract 1200rpms from where the Supra ended the dyno and you're still well above 1250hp. You said they are faster with "a lot less hp" and I'm not seeing it. The Lingenfelter power curve isn't exactly flat, so even if it did have more power I doubt it would be as superior as you make it seem.

N/Apower

wtf? it is around 900ish. Look at her again man.

Now think about it. If the VETTE had 1300whp peak, just like the Supra, it would be well ahead of it after that 1200rpm drop instead of within 100whp of it. I mean, it started with a 400whp loss and after the shift is only down 100ish whp.

Spartikus

Shift the Supra at 8500rpm's and it's still above 1250hp. Am I wrong?

EDIT: I don't know how far a shift will actually drop it. I'm just going off of your theoretical 1200rpms.