Sorry, I had to chime in on this stupid argument starting. I think its funny to even compare a Mustang to an S. They don't even share the same school of genetics. An s will out grip and handle one in the turns ten fold, but the latest Mustang is only marginally faster in a strait line compared to a stock s, bolt on s is a little different. I know first hand. For a V8 car the Mustang is pretty low on the totem pole, their best attribute is out of the hole and they run out of stuff on top pretty quick.

If a mustang pulls some on an S its no big deal because thats what you would expect a V8 car to do. If an S pulls on one then its total bragging rights. A Mustang is hardly anything other then a brick, it doesn't have any qualities that define a quality performance package other then a neat sounding exhaust. If the S can keep up or pull on one then it doesn't say much for the Mustang. And there is allot of years of GT's and some cobras all the way up to but current where this is the case. I think we all know which is the more refined and balanced car with the most strong points right? It would be foolish to debate that. I do like the way the latest incarnation of the Saleen looks though. Ok carry on

 

[QUOTE]You're talking like you need a tampon again. You're getting close to hitting your head on the monitor too. You owned 2 S alright. Out of how many S out there? I can't see how you can be so butthurt after I said something so insignificant lol. [QUOTE]

LOL....wow you caught me, just bumped my head on the monitor. Have you ever heard the phrase 'ignorance is bliss'? Next you'll start talking about how the F20C is the greatest thing since sliced bread because of it's hp per liter.

 

[QUOTE=derryck,Nov 7 2007, 05:08 AM] [QUOTE]You're talking like you need a tampon again. You're getting close to hitting your head on the monitor too. You owned 2 S alright. Out of how many S out there? I can't see how you can be so butthurt after I said something so insignificant lol. There's nothing much I could say other than you being butthurt and talking like you need a tampon once again. You won't be replying soon also because soon your PC is broken too.

You sound like you worship your Cobra too much?

 

I gotta say that the S2k gas mileage is pretty miserable. Really now, I would expect to get better gas mileage than it does. 25-27mpg is the upper end. (ie- conservative driving) When I was driving it all the time, I would get ~24 (and mostly highway). My wife (who now drives the car) drives it like a civic and doesn't average more than 26mpg (again, mostly highway). LS1s get better mileage. In fact many much larger displacement engines get decent mileage if driven conservatively.

 

highway driving 65-75mph with my turbo s2k i can get 27-29mpg with moderate boosting. 85+mph plus more boosting i get around 22-23 mpg. Around town i'm around 20-23mpg with quite a bit of boosting.
All out boosting on high boost at rally's and meets i am around 15mpg...

For the size of the motor the gas mileage is pretty bad, but im guessing alot of it has to do with the gearing. A civic with the same size motor with different gearing gets much higher numbers!

 

I totaly agree, I don't know how we got on the gas milage thing anyway. Its a moog point because the S2000 was foccused on building maximum performance from the least amount of displacement. This they did, and this concept can't equate to making good gas milage, that is only an after thought.

The fact that it can get anything over 20 is a bonus for a 2 liter 4 n/a 4 banger that makes 240hp, and honda is the only one that can and has made this happen. Every other manufacture resorts to turbo to get up to this range, or even less hp for the same gas milage, So lets direct the praise where it is desurving. Gas milage is a silly point.

The car though vtec, wasn't designed to run at maximum efficiency in low cam, or it would sacrifice the goals up top. Its only 2 liters remeber? A civic makes good gas milage out of the same displacement motor becuase the engine breathing is limited. S2000 was meant to run at maximum flow in hi cam. You can't have both lo and hi cam at 100% with this small of an NA engine and expect it to get good 4 banger milage. Lets not forget what the benifits are of having an engine this small with this kind of power in a very precise and purposfull built chassy. The s2000 does this better then anyone else. Power to weight and balance is what this car is about and in this regard it is still in a league of its own after 8 years. This is most evident in the original AP1

 

Like I said, we can't compare apples and oranges. S2000 is a unique car and everythings else around that price is just a car that take you from point A to point B fast or slow.

 

[QUOTE=s2000Junky,Nov 7 2007, 07:10 PM] The s2000 does this better then anyone else. Power to weight and balance is what this car is about and in this regard it is still in a league of its own after 8 years.

 

Sure...these are good examples of some unique and high performing cars in their own right and way closer in comparison then a Mustang for sure. The RX7 however has a rotory turbo motor so its in a different class for comparison, but closely resembles the overall performance aspects as well as the Elise. The Elise has a Toyota 4 banger so it is more closely comparable, but it falls well short at 190hp and 129tq. What keeps it competitive is its extremely light weight of 2000pounds. Both very good performing cars, but both more different from the S then the same.

 

you're right...both out accelerate the S and out handle it on both tight technical courses as well as long, sweeping curves...

Wait, what was your point again? The 7 and Elise have better power/weight ratio and outclass the S in all categories...so um..they are like a Mustang how?