Perhaps, but No Really, you DO know plenty of S drivers have beaten GT Mustangs, right? So your point might be more accepted as, "the Mustang GT is a slow V8" ?

 

I sure do, but the GT isn't a powerlifter.

 

Well, if by "slow" you mean not as powerful the other American V8 coupes on the market recently, than yes. There aren't many foreign V8 coupes that are as fast, and none but TVR that share the same design philosophy as American V8 coupes - speed and power over luxury and price. BTW, I have seen more GT's beat S2000's than the other way. Maybe the S2000 guys couldn't drive, but the same might be said every time a GT is beat, no?

If the GT owner starts modding their car, the S2000 is quickly left behind, as there are numerous power-making mods to do to a GT, whereas an S2000 is kind of limited as far as what can be done and how much power is gained. If you start talking about gear swaps and exhaust, the GT is always going to come out on top vs. an S2000. But you can do all the same things to an LS1 or Cobra/Mach 1, for example, and the GT is always going to be left behind.

Let's not forget, the GT has a drivetrain that can safely handle 400 HP in stock form, and the S2000 is pretty much at the limit as it sits. The rear end in the Honda can barely tolerate stock power levels, much less the kind of stress you get launching a S/C S2000. The two cars have diametrically opposed aims. The GT is a starting point for making more power, and the S2000 is supposed to be appreciated for what it is as it sits. I think the comparison between a powerlifter and a triathlete is apt, but the GT is hardly the powerlifter of American V8 coupes, more like the guy in the gym who messes around with freeweights 3 days a week, while the S2000 is in training 24-7 to keep in trim (at the risk of carying the analogy too far )

That said, I like the S2000. It is a very cool car. I like the way it looks, and I like the fact that it is very quick and light. Not enough manufacturers are making light, powerful cars. But for me the sound and shove of a large-displacement V8 at full throttle will always trump a small displacement engine at any rpm, but that doesn't mean the sound of VTEC at full throttle isn't awesome. It is like a magnificent chorus, thrilling to hear, even in a Civic (with a tuned intake pipe). Kudos to Honda for doing what no other manufacturer could get away with.

Sorry, I was bored at work, and wrote a frikkin' novel here.

 

When I was stock, I raced an S2000 and we were even up to 0-140MPH. There was some inching here and there, but nobody was pulling ahead. Maybe with my mods now, I can pull ahead.

 

Hey guys, don't you think that a car with a tiny engine and no forced induction is impressive enough to keep up, if not faster, with a much bigger engined car? I think so. Regardless, acceleration is not the S2K's forte, its drive is. Go drive an S and you'll see a world of difference between an S and a Mustang or Camaro. Trust me on this one!

 

Are you forgetting it is also more than 400 pounds lighter and has much steeper gears, things that make any car faster? And why do you insist that everyone be impressed? Who was implying they were the same cars? I think if you spent some time behind the wheel of a GT or Z28, you would decide you can't handle the power at such low RPMs. I seriously doubt you would be able to have an objective opinion, which is too bad.

American V8 coupes are a rare experience in this world. Outside of the US, they hardly exist. If you've never driven one, or found yourself unable to appreciate it, you are missing out on something unique. To say they are bad because they don't drive or have cupholders like that Honda/Toyota you learned stick on says more about you than the cars.

 

Um, I only have one cup holder in the S2000 and it can barely hold a cup. I think if I compare it to my Pampered Chef 1 cup measurer, they will have equal liquid volume capacity and that's how Honda got away with calling it a cup holder. It does hold 2 cans of Copenhagen rather well though.

 

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by no really
Are you forgetting it is also more than 400 pounds lighter and has much steeper gears, things that make any car faster?