I read the first couple of posts and I was a little in shock....from what I know minus heavy internal work without S/C'ing a S2k, you're not going to a whole lot of gains staying N/A....correct me if I'm wrong.

I have a hard time believing an N/A S2k can keep in the same area code as a STI....let alone a full TB STI. From what I've heard TB, Intake, and boost controller puts an STI 300whp already.

IMHO this S2k was indeed S/C'ed....N/A S2K > stock WRX, stock STI > N/A S2K

 

I read the first couple of posts and I was a little in shock....from what I know minus heavy internal work without S/C'ing a S2k, you're not going to a whole lot of gains staying N/A....correct me if I'm wrong.

I have a hard time believing an N/A S2k can keep in the same area code as a STI....let alone a full TB STI. From what I've heard TB, Intake, and boost controller puts an STI 300whp already.

IMHO this S2k was indeed S/C'ed....N/A S2K > stock WRX, stock STI > N/A S2K

 

Actually STi's dont need boost controllers or turbo timers. Also the stock intake is basically a ram air, and there is still a lot of discussion as to whether an aftermarket intake really makes a difference. Some people swear by the K&N or Injen, while others say they lost power or saw no gains. The stock intake box is by no way a restriction though with a high flow panel filter it can handle over 300whp. 300whp is pretty tough to get without engine management depending on the dyno also. I would say filter + TBE an STi would see about 270-285whp then add on engine management and a tune and you will see 300-325whp 320ft-lb torque.

I have UTEC sitting in my house waiting to be installed but I am away on work until March, but I will do a pre-UTEC dyno with just TBE and post UTEC dyno and see what my #s are.

I will also be going to the local track in MD (75&80) to see what my 1/4 times look like.

 

First you have to realize quarter mile times in this partifcular example (an awd STI) means nothing in a situation where launching the car wasn't involved.

I can't comment on how a NA S2000 would do against a STI, but I can tell you I would steadily pull on a STI through all the gears when I was supercharged.

And LilJapnBoy, DO realize that the STI, although a fast and mod friendly car, is not as fast as you make it out to be. This is directed towards you comment that you "have a hard time believing an N/A S2k can keep in the same area code as a STI....let alone a full TB STI."

Oh and stilish, you will notice a big difference once you get the UTEC in.

 

Yea man I can't wait, I have the one friend as I said with the '03 cobra and another with a '04 GTO trading to a Z06 this summer so I will need anything I can get to hang with them.

 

really? i've heard of the boost creep problems in STIs....maybe this was more related to the 03/04s.

to my knowledge most turbo'ed cars benefit from something to help control and hold boost whether it's mbc or ebc including evos, wrxs, stis, gsx, etc.

 

I was referencing this just to my personal experiences which might be different in other situations....

I found a stock STI very fast, as fast maybe a stage 3 WRX....
Meanwhile I've found N/A s2ks to be not as fast...

I have also done pulls with a stage 3/4 WRX and a S/C'ed, UN-tuned S2k....and granted we didn't drive enough to get a definitive answer, no one walked away...

Granted there's a lot of variables, I've never seen all of these cars lined up at once, driver skill, etc.

 

There are boost creep problems if you have a full turbo back exhaust that is catless with no engine management but a boost controller doesn't really help with that. The only real help is either to port the waste gate or get engine management.

 

So you stayed even with a 03 Cobra till 100mph from 2nd, and also stayed even with a S2K from a 3rd gear punch. Hmm.... I'd say driver wise, S2K>STi>Cobra. When I see 03 Cobras, I don't bother unless it's from a dig.