Where am I contradicting myself here? If you are referring to the N/A FD issue then if you re-read my post, I've already mentioned that it was my crude way to set a point across why an N/A car shouldn't be compared to one that's boosted. That's the only reason why I even brought it up.
Yes it is a problem, the focus here is on fuel economy and why the rotories have a reputation of being gas hungry suckers despite it's small displacement. Mazda engineers always knew that the fuel economy could be improved but they couldn't solve that with the early rotaries which had both peripheral intake and exhaust ports, and the later models with one side intake and peripheral exhaust port.

EGR does play a big role in controlling emissions, no argument there but the overlap found on the pre-Renesis engines has nothing to do with EGR. Many people have already argued about this but the simple fact of this is that Mazda didn't engineer this overlap to happen. If they could have eliminated it like they did with the Renesis, they would have, but obviously the modification couldn't be done without a complete redesign of the engine.

To keep things simple, EGR simply recirculates some spent gases and introduces it with the fresh A/F mixture to keep hydrocarbon emissions down. Naturally, spent gases are harder to ignite and results into something similar to increasing the octane in fuel. However in the earlier rotary engines, too much spent gases would re-enter the combustion chamber and makes it much more difficult to ignite the intake charge even with the dual spark plugs. This is why Mazda at the time had no other choice but to enrich the incoming A/F mixture with a higher fuel content to help with a more complete combustion.

With the intake and exhaust ports now on the side, Mazda has more play into how they wish to tune their new engine. Sure, they can design it with a lot or less or no overlap now and this opens up the field of play a lot more. I'm certain that the RX-8 will be the start of a new class of rotaries to come.
Actually the main reasoning behind moving the exhaust port is to control the intake and exhaust overlap. The result of the change is reduced emissions and improved fuel economy.
If you don't know this yet, I'm actually a very avid fan of the design of the rotary engine. I like simplicity and efficiency over complex and intricate designs. I've followed the development of the Renesis when it was talked about before the 13B ever came out. Read an ariticle found here For those who don't want to read it, here's what it says...

"Unlike previous mass-production rotary engines, which employed peripheral exhaust ports and side intake ports,the naturally aspirated RENESIS has intake and exhaust ports in the side housings. This configuration eliminates overlap between the opening of the intake and exhaust ports, enhancing combustion efficiency. The intake ports are 30% larger and their timing has been changed to make them open sooner than in previous designs. Moreover, the exhaust ports open later, resulting in a longer power (expansion) stroke and providing radically improved heat efficiency."

"The increased heat efficiency resulting from zero overlap between the opening of the intake and exhaust ports makes it possible for the RENESIS to run on a leaner fuel mixture than conventional rotary engines. When idling, the RENESIS consumes 40% less fuel than the current production rotary engine."

On top of this improvement, the increased number of ports, lightened components, higher compression just to name a few of many changes with this awesome new engine contributes to a much flatter torque curve and power output that rivals that of the OEM FD TT. To make a long story short, the increased breathing ability = more power output.
You don't know me so don't talk about what I've owned. Originally, I wanted to go ahead with my project FD but it got time consuming since I worked 2 jobs at the time and my debts made investing in the RX7 very expensive. A friend of mine wanted to get his hands on one but couldn't get one at a fair price. The previous owner told me that he upkept the car but had no receipts to prove it, plus the car didn't look like it was well maintained. I really didn't care since I was planning to squeeze about 350hp out of the car and keep it reliable enough to be a daily driver. After having it sit in my garage for almost a half a year, my friend offered me a fair price and payed me for all of the parts I put on the side for it at the price I got them for.
The current design of the car (RX8) isn't the problem. It's the design of the new engine that's posing as the problem. The new innovation of implementing all of the new improvements actually takes up much more room under the hood especially near the exhaust section where the turbo would normally sit. Don't take my word for it, take a good look under the hood of one and you'll see what I mean. I'm not so sure if anyone can claim that it's impossible to put a turbo, but it's not as easy as the previous gen rotaries.

Hopefully this helps clarify a few points.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by eraumazda
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44hp at 8000rpm? Man, I would like to see how that car drive. Was that simply a motorbike engine in a box called a car?

In case you didn't see this :



What exactly triggered Honda's decision to release the S2000 after 29 years.

Probably because of Toyota (Corolla), which had an extensive history of high revving motors (with some decent power).

 

I have no clue as to the exact origin of the Honda cars but from I hear, the first was a motorcycle engine with a gearshift coming out of the dash, much like the new Civic.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hyper-X
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Dude, your numbers are way off on the FC3S turbo.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hyper-X
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According to my bud who watched the anime, apparently there is no such character named Tamuki (sorry, I don't watch anime).

 

I had the FC for 4 years, the FD for 5 months.

 

Well I'm surprised, I would think that you would actually back up the Fx a little more since you've had 2.

You know what they say sometimes, once a Mazda, Nissan, Toyota or Honda fan, always a Mazda, Nissan, Toyota or Honda fan.

 

Let's not let this get out of hand guys, we're all sports car enthusiasts here . Well, with the exception of Calpilot7 the oxygen thief, who I doubt owns a 7 and prolly rides a 70cc moped around town.

 

Back up what? Most of what I've stated so far isn't speculation, except for the part where I used a crude example of comparing apples to apples (in that particular example, I meant N/A vs. N/A)

The info I've provided about the RX7/RX8 are facts, I even posted a link so anyone can read plus I've even cut and paste the relevant section for those who are lazy to read the entire web page.

I've not seen any facts from any of the "trolls" so far. By the definition of troll, it means those who talk crap and have nothing better to do but call people names and not provide any significant source of facts. If you question my comments, I've posted links so you can read for yourselves. I've proved that one person doesn't know anything about a car except for pulling "reliable information" out of his head and not using known facts. I've even referenced a very well respected tuner for RX7's and IS300's and they are open to any inquires that you may have.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you yourself was unsure about why the 1.3 rotary had bad fuel economy?

Posted by SHIRI "Oh yeah, that was another thing I hated about the FD, fuel consumption, why is it so bad for a 1.3 lt engine?????"

I've went through a simple and easy to understand explanation as to the cause of the high fuel consumption. Like I said earlier, if you don't believe me that's fine. Do a search on the web yourself, email Mazda or call a respected tuner that works on RX7 engines. It doesn't matter who you believe in my mind, but a known fact cannot be disputed.

For what it's worth, I don't think you have any room to state how facts are backed up especially when your theory regarding who started the high revving motor scene in Japan was proven wrong to begin with. Since I wasn't aware of who the pioneer of the Japanese high revving engines were, I kept quiet then I think carrrnuttt posted that old article about the first "S" models. I'll admit, you almost had me there.

The digital dash layout of the AE86 that you posted is new to me as I've never seen that layout here. Around that same timeframe, Chrysler came out with the Laser that also had some kind of digital dash also, but I can't recall what it looks like in detail. For me, that was the first production car I've seen to have such an instrumentation and the name "Laser" at the time stuck in my mind.

BTW SHIRI, what do you drive? Have you really worked on a rotary engine before or owned an RX7 before? Just curious.