well....here it is.
shall i quote myself, or is everyone else as stupid as steveC and kumar. if i sprayed, which i didnt, (boyracers2k was standing right there) i would have WAY more tq. i dont even have juice on my car. sine your so smart kumar, and so nitrous educated, why dont you interpret that... cause you dont WANT to.
and like i said, the dyno was reading AFR at the exhaust tips. yes it is an old dyno, first one in vegas. runnin since 1995. so with a later one, i may read even more HP. wis, i have no side of the story. i took the car to a known shop, and let him dyno it. thats the numbers. and since kumar is SO smart, you notice the 1.0 kumar, thats no correction, no matter what institutes numbers you use.
its just sad that instead of clapping, as ive provided what youve asked for, you asses cant be polite. your trying DESPERATELY to find a reason why i dynoed so high. accept it, i make more power than nearly all of you, i dont care how jealous you are. my car is here and i drive it every day. quite frankly, im not happy, thats not the HP i expected. so we will see what a few more tweaks can do. later dave
thanks wis for leaving it here, and being semi on my side. dave
and like i said, the dyno was reading AFR at the exhaust tips. yes it is an old dyno, first one in vegas. runnin since 1995. so with a later one, i may read even more HP. wis, i have no side of the story. i took the car to a known shop, and let him dyno it. thats the numbers. and since kumar is SO smart, you notice the 1.0 kumar, thats no correction, no matter what institutes numbers you use.
its just sad that instead of clapping, as ive provided what youve asked for, you asses cant be polite. your trying DESPERATELY to find a reason why i dynoed so high. accept it, i make more power than nearly all of you, i dont care how jealous you are. my car is here and i drive it every day. quite frankly, im not happy, thats not the HP i expected. so we will see what a few more tweaks can do. later dave
thanks wis for leaving it here, and being semi on my side. dave
yeah like i said before dave sold the nitrous setup to a friend of mine and i installed it on saturday. if dave had sprayed you would have seen a huge increase in torque. usually tq is roughly 125% hp shot so for a 100 shot you get 125 lbs tq. anyways dave dynoed and posted it like everybody wanted him to and now say its bullshit.
in the words of bart simpson and captian hook
EAT MY SHORTS!
BAD FORM BAD FORM!
in the words of bart simpson and captian hook
EAT MY SHORTS!
BAD FORM BAD FORM!
You know whats weird here besides what Gary pointed out is didnt Ultimate Lurker dyno 04-05 S2ks a year or so ago? He stated they were making to the wheel anywhere from 210-220hp. So why is it not possible that S2000Vegas is making 215hp to the wheel? I find it very believable since I have seen locally AP1s with an intake dyno at 204-205hp to the wheel. Another 10 hp is not that hard folks.
Am I missing something here?
Am I missing something here?
Originally Posted by JsAP1,Feb 13 2006, 11:54 AM
You know whats weird here besides what Gary pointed out is didnt Ultimate Lurker dyno 04-05 S2ks a year or so ago? He stated they were making to the wheel anywhere from 210-220hp. So why is it not possible that S2000Vegas is making 215hp to the wheel? I find it very believable since I have seen locally AP1s with an intake dyno at 204-205hp to the wheel. Another 10 hp is not that hard folks.
Am I missing something here?
Am I missing something here?
There is no reason to believe anything he says based on his past history. He is pretty much the laughingstock of this forum these days.
Originally Posted by JsAP1,Feb 13 2006, 01:54 PM
You know whats weird here besides what Gary pointed out is didnt Ultimate Lurker dyno 04-05 S2ks a year or so ago? He stated they were making to the wheel anywhere from 210-220hp. So why is it not possible that S2000Vegas is making 215hp to the wheel? I find it very believable since I have seen locally AP1s with an intake dyno at 204-205hp to the wheel. Another 10 hp is not that hard folks.
Am I missing something here?
Am I missing something here?
that said, dave is making a credible amount of power for his mods over what a stock ap2 would make. I imagine similarly modded ap2's would be capable of the same thing. however, this doesn't put the car any faster than maybe a mid 13 second time.
Couple issues here: (1) validity of Dave's dyno results, (2) whether the results can substantiate he claimed wins, and (3) misinformed individuals regard basic engine/weather/chemistry.
Regarding 1, Dave's dyno results show he's making good power considering the altitude. As noted earlier, it's just a reference point. It would be nice for Dave to remind us of his modifications, so we can have a better understanding of where he derives his power gains. If at all possible, remove his mods and dyno stock...AND show is that one.
Since the dyno operator had such a difficult time with the tach sensor, could he use the tach sensor on the driver side, quarter panel, near the firewall. It's under a set of the fuses. Just a thought.
Regarding 2, Based on this dyno, some of his conquest are extremely difficult to believe. But, anything can happen on the street.
Regarding 3, I don't know where some people get their information, but when you're that adamant about certain "facts," and not willing to listen to others who may very well know more than you, you're not going to learn anything.
Regarding 1, Dave's dyno results show he's making good power considering the altitude. As noted earlier, it's just a reference point. It would be nice for Dave to remind us of his modifications, so we can have a better understanding of where he derives his power gains. If at all possible, remove his mods and dyno stock...AND show is that one.
Since the dyno operator had such a difficult time with the tach sensor, could he use the tach sensor on the driver side, quarter panel, near the firewall. It's under a set of the fuses. Just a thought.
Regarding 2, Based on this dyno, some of his conquest are extremely difficult to believe. But, anything can happen on the street.
Regarding 3, I don't know where some people get their information, but when you're that adamant about certain "facts," and not willing to listen to others who may very well know more than you, you're not going to learn anything.
Originally Posted by gary_phd,Feb 13 2006, 02:21 PM
Couple issues here: (1) validity of Dave's dyno results, (2) whether the results can substantiate he claimed wins, and (3) misinformed individuals regard basic engine/weather/chemistry.
Regarding 1, Dave's dyno results show he's making good power considering the altitude. As noted earlier, it's just a reference point. It would be nice for Dave to remind us of his modifications, so we can have a better understanding of where he derives his power gains. If at all possible, remove his mods and dyno stock...AND show is that one.
Since the dyno operator had such a difficult time with the tach sensor, could he use the tach sensor on the driver side, quarter panel, near the firewall. It's under a set of the fuses. Just a thought.
Regarding 2, Based on this dyno, some of his conquest are extremely difficult to believe. But, anything can happen on the street.
Regarding 3, I don't know where some people get their information, but when you're that adamant about certain "facts," and not willing to listen to others who may very well know more than you, you're not going to learn anything.
Regarding 1, Dave's dyno results show he's making good power considering the altitude. As noted earlier, it's just a reference point. It would be nice for Dave to remind us of his modifications, so we can have a better understanding of where he derives his power gains. If at all possible, remove his mods and dyno stock...AND show is that one.
Since the dyno operator had such a difficult time with the tach sensor, could he use the tach sensor on the driver side, quarter panel, near the firewall. It's under a set of the fuses. Just a thought.
Regarding 2, Based on this dyno, some of his conquest are extremely difficult to believe. But, anything can happen on the street.
Regarding 3, I don't know where some people get their information, but when you're that adamant about certain "facts," and not willing to listen to others who may very well know more than you, you're not going to learn anything.
completely. i think that if anything, it's proven the following things:A. dave is making more power than a stock S2000, and should therefore be faster than a stock S2000.
B. the numbers indicate that realistically his car is probably capable of mid 13's in the 1/4 mile on his best runs.
C. further proof, based upon dave's kills, that anything can happen on the street, and driver is a lot to account for in those situations.
unfortunately, 2 grossly incorrect statements made about humidity and air density, and about dyno correction factor, undermined the credibility of dave and a couple of his friends. unfortunately dave, that doesn't help ya out, especially when you've claimed that your knowledge comes from years of experience, so you know better. yet people with arguably less experience than you are able to point out fallacies regarding fundamental knowledge in your own statements and the statements of your friends. <sigh> you won a battle today, and then you and some friends shot yourselves in the foot.
but, IMO, i think that you deserve some credibility for getting the dyno done and helping provide info relevant to the 3 points I made above.


