well....here it is.
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Originally Posted by Wisconsin S2k,Feb 13 2006, 12:32 PM
completely. i think that if anything, it's proven the following things:A. dave is making more power than a stock S2000, and should therefore be faster than a stock S2000.
B. the numbers indicate that realistically his car is probably capable of mid 13's in the 1/4 mile on his best runs.
C. further proof, based upon dave's kills, that anything can happen on the street, and driver is a lot to account for in those situations.
unfortunately, 2 grossly incorrect statements made about humidity and air density, and about dyno correction factor, undermined the credibility of dave and a couple of his friends. unfortunately dave, that doesn't help ya out, especially when you've claimed that your knowledge comes from years of experience, so you know better. yet people with arguably less experience than you are able to point out fallacies regarding fundamental knowledge in your own statements and the statements of your friends. <sigh> you won a battle today, and then you and some friends shot yourselves in the foot.
but, IMO, i think that you deserve some credibility for getting the dyno done and helping provide info relevant to the 3 points I made above.what i said was...
looking at all the posts...blah blah blah.bottom line i stimply stated that you make more power at sea level. im no scientist, and never have claimed to be. and have lost zero credibility. maybe i lost cred in the eyes of some of the people on here, but those who know me in real life, think this board is a laughing stock of morons and wonder why i wage war with invalids. but i give you guys more cred than they do something very few of you will give me.
coming from people who cant even change their own oil, or build their own engines, why do you think i would be offset by any of this wis. you know where i stand, and you pay attention. where as many on here cant remember yesterday, as my mods have been posted many times. and yet people still ask what they are. the ones who care, and want inside info, have PMed, and followed suit. ask HVrrz, ruben. he has same mods, and look at his stories and kill lists.
and you seem to think bolt ons have a difference in 1/4 mile times, wow you guys are lost. i can take a stock car, and drop from .5 to 1 second off of its 1/4 mile ET.. how with suspension setup. you seemed to have willfully forgotten my suspension mods, and the fact that i have been launch tech for a long time.
anyways. i glad that my poor lil dyno has attracted this much attention. more than any other post in recent weeks. lates
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Originally Posted by mustangkiller01,Feb 13 2006, 12:43 PM
i dont think he sprayed anything... numbers aren'y high enough. my ap1 made 253 and 193 on a 50 shot w/ a 10 a/f ratio...
again nice numbers dave
again nice numbers dave
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and have lost zero credibility.
maybe i lost cred in the eyes of some of the people on here, but those who know me in real life, think this board is a laughing stock of morons and wonder why i wage war with invalids.
and you seem to think bolt ons have a difference in 1/4 mile times, wow you guys are lost. i can take a stock car, and drop from .5 to 1 second off of its 1/4 mile ET.. how with suspension setup. you seemed to have willfully forgotten my suspension mods, and the fact that i have been launch tech for a long time.
anyways. i glad that my poor lil dyno has attracted this much attention. more than any other post in recent weeks. lates
anyways. i glad that my poor lil dyno has attracted this much attention. more than any other post in recent weeks. lates
you're drifting into that realm again where you're just crapping out of your mouth, and it's not helping any. i'm trying to help you restore credibility here, and then you taint it with the crap about correction factor, the crap about what your friends think, and then this crap about magical suspension mods?sure dave, on a race built FI car, or some other variant, I could see .5 seconds gained using suspension mods. but a bolt on S2000? christ, now it's just gonna all go back to square one.....
If it has no relevance to the S2000, then why do you even bother mentioning it?
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i dont think he sprayed anything... numbers aren'y high enough. my ap1 made 253 and 193 on a 50 shot w/ a 10 a/f ratio...
Again applying a 1.11 correction factor (yeah I know) would yield very unrealistic numbers near sea level -- but numbers right in line with a bit of gas.
Regardless, there is a lie in here somewhere as there is with every one of his posts.
i can take a stock car, and drop from .5 to 1 second off of its 1/4 mile ET.. how with suspension setup
Sure Vegas, your S2000 can run 12's with just suspension changes. I mean -- the physics of power to weight be damned!
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IMO the correction factor thing didn't exactly "help" your credibility. but understand, that doesn't mean that I don't believe the dyno is real. I think it's perfectly real and plausible.
and then you go back to this crap. like we could give a shit what your moron friends IRL think? and then sit here and continue to insult us, even after I have tried to level the playing field, and even defend you in this thread? f*ck that.
[QUOTE]dave, on a bolt on S2000, you're not going to take .5 seconds (much less 1 second? holy crap) off the ET just from suspension mods.
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Originally Posted by 24s2k7,Feb 13 2006, 02:21 PM
You need to go to sea level, on a good day, and drag it! That would probably stop everything.
Why does everyone argue so much anyways? Who cares what the other thinks or says?
Why does everyone argue so much anyways? Who cares what the other thinks or says?
later
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Originally Posted by Wisconsin S2k,Feb 13 2006, 12:19 PM
UL's dynos were quite a bit higher than even 220whp. (i think 240whp is what he said the ap2 was making) the only thing I dont understand about that, is that UL is an extremely credible person, but the real world stats dont back up those numbers. you'd think that if the ap2 were really making 40+ whp over the ap1, they would be running faster 1/4 mile times and at LEAST trapping higher than ap1's. but they don't. the only thing I can think of is the fact that the dynapack reads higher than a dynojet, and doesn't account for things such as losses from the wheel weight or rotational mass.
that said, dave is making a credible amount of power for his mods over what a stock ap2 would make. I imagine similarly modded ap2's would be capable of the same thing. however, this doesn't put the car any faster than maybe a mid 13 second time.
that said, dave is making a credible amount of power for his mods over what a stock ap2 would make. I imagine similarly modded ap2's would be capable of the same thing. however, this doesn't put the car any faster than maybe a mid 13 second time.
