well....here it is.
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Originally Posted by steve c,Feb 12 2006, 10:11 PM
My guess -- he was squeezing a 50 shot for this run. Notice we don't see the A/F ratios...
Given his history here -- you know that somewhere in here is a lie.
Given his history here -- you know that somewhere in here is a lie.
sorry gary phd that your so intelligent, but i dont see your dyno numbers up here. its always gonna be the hillbillys VS the scientific folk. all that matters is whos faster. and at this point, we hillbillys are winnin. 
oh yeah, and
p.s versionJDM, im on stock ecu, you have vafc... kids. later
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Originally Posted by hackmac87,Feb 12 2006, 10:34 PM
actually jim is right do the reserch cooler more humid air is better for performance. ie water injection the water is denser and so has a better latent heat transfer ability that when it enters the combustion chamber it is evaporated absorbs heat which inturn acts as a retardant like having higher octane fuel thus burning more efficiantly, and provides minor oxygen supply for the cooling effect ie cooler air is denser air.
[edit] btw, thanks dave... hopefully a bit more respect will roll your way.
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vegas,
your dyno #'s are impressive..but it sounds little
as well..i guess it could be nos or watever
im not saying ur lying,
but some of the stuff u say is little hard to believe..
what kind of mods do u have?? y dont u tell us??
maybe if we know what u have done to ur car, it might make us easier to see what ur talking about.
your dyno #'s are impressive..but it sounds little
as well..i guess it could be nos or wateverim not saying ur lying,
but some of the stuff u say is little hard to believe..
what kind of mods do u have?? y dont u tell us??
maybe if we know what u have done to ur car, it might make us easier to see what ur talking about.
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Originally Posted by S2oooNvegas,Feb 12 2006, 10:56 PM
i know, i was bummed, what i saw on the screen didnt come out on the print. the AF was lean. 14.67 if i remember correctly. as an average. ill be changing some more stuff soon, and going back. shootin for 240 here in vegas. wont be a problem. sorry gary phd that your so intelligent, but i dont see your dyno numbers up here. its always gonna be the hillbillys VS the scientific folk. all that matters is whos faster. and at this point, we hillbillys are winnin.
oh yeah, and p.s versionJDM, im on stock ecu, you have vafc... kids. later
sorry gary phd that your so intelligent, but i dont see your dyno numbers up here. its always gonna be the hillbillys VS the scientific folk. all that matters is whos faster. and at this point, we hillbillys are winnin. oh yeah, and
p.s versionJDM, im on stock ecu, you have vafc... kids. later
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having a water injection system on a boosted car is far different then percentage of humidity in the air. I'm telling you, if you dyno a NA car when the humidity is 0%, and then the next day, same car, same dyno, same temp, same barometric pressure, but the humidity is 100%, you will have less power on the second day. That is just common sense and FACT. I just don't see how you guys don't understand this.....however, in any case, good numbers on the dyno.
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Originally Posted by steve c,Feb 12 2006, 10:51 PM
Compare the dyno with other 04's. Notice the unusual amount of power before VTEC and the odd hiccup -- surprise exactly what you see on nitroused VTEC cars. When we see the A/F ratios we can be more certain.
We know that Dave has a NOx setup and we know that you three lie -- a lot. There is a lie in here somewhere and my guess is that it is a 50 shot -- which would dovetail perfectly into that map and those numbers at that altitude.
We know that Dave has a NOx setup and we know that you three lie -- a lot. There is a lie in here somewhere and my guess is that it is a 50 shot -- which would dovetail perfectly into that map and those numbers at that altitude.
you have ZERO clue about nitrous, thats obvious. 50 shot on my car, would equal out to about 75-100 ft lb tq gain. i sure as hell wouldnt have that low ass tq number on spray. youd have to be high to even speculate that.
as for the AFR, thats what the sniffer read at the mufflers. and i have no cat, so hard to say if its dead on where it should be read. but that could also explain the numbers.
ive told everyone on here my mods, so those of you who have no idea, just do some searchin, i just got to work and dont feel like posting my mods. they didnt help anyways, remember. later dave
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Originally Posted by hackmac87,Feb 12 2006, 10:52 PM
dude do some more reserch ive been using water injection for years!
http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/waterinjection.html
http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/waterinjection.html
. I've used water and alc injection in my past turboed cars, and more than likely have more experience than you.Here are some direct quotes for YOUR link:
14. Atomization of the water mixture is directly related to it effectiveness. Finer droplets cool the inlet charge better and with less mass they navigate the inlet plenum easier for more equal water distribution.
22. Water injection has a cooling effect on the engine head, valves, and cylinder. Exhaust temperatures (EGT) are largely unaffected at recommended water / fuel ratios.
23. The cooling of potential hot spots in the combustion chamber defeats pre-ignition, the most destructive form of uncontrolled or unplanned combustion.
6. Water Injection allows ignition timing to be more aggressive or closer to stock. In other words boost does not automatically mean retard your timing.
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those are good numbers but look at the top right next to "CF: "
1) they are corrected
2) they are STD and not SAE corrected
SAE is the proper correction factor to use and yields lower numbers than STD correction. So your numbers are a little inflated.
Either way, your car should be making 215+ rwhp which is strong but still not enough to pull on M3s and C5s etc
what are your mods again? My stock AP2 with 100 miles dynoed 204.5 rwhp SAE corrected.
1) they are corrected
2) they are STD and not SAE corrected
SAE is the proper correction factor to use and yields lower numbers than STD correction. So your numbers are a little inflated.
Either way, your car should be making 215+ rwhp which is strong but still not enough to pull on M3s and C5s etc
what are your mods again? My stock AP2 with 100 miles dynoed 204.5 rwhp SAE corrected.