2004 Model Announcement
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Originally posted by DVDoughboy
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I don't mean to pick on you, but it is annoying that I get an email to show that the thread has been updated only to see that the person has typed in "subscribed" or "I am writing this so that the thread sends me emails" etc.
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Originally posted by S2000ited
Regarding info. for model year 2004, I highly doubt an all new S2000...
Regarding info. for model year 2004, I highly doubt an all new S2000...
Lacks credibility.
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From: dallas
respectfully,
Something is amuck!
Q:How often does Honda release info about cars that are more than a year away.
A:Never.
Q:What sense does it make for honda to release an upgraded S2k at the same time that they release the new nsx?
A:Little.
Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't mind seeing an upgraded s2k. A tweak here and there, but I(as a future owner) do not want to see the car ruined by hondas lack of artistic talent. Their designs often undermine their engineering. Not in the s2k though.
I also don't want the car to have I-Vtec. Keep the car raw.
Something is amuck!
Q:How often does Honda release info about cars that are more than a year away.
A:Never.
Q:What sense does it make for honda to release an upgraded S2k at the same time that they release the new nsx?
A:Little.
Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't mind seeing an upgraded s2k. A tweak here and there, but I(as a future owner) do not want to see the car ruined by hondas lack of artistic talent. Their designs often undermine their engineering. Not in the s2k though.
I also don't want the car to have I-Vtec. Keep the car raw.
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From: Austin, Texas
This thread is BS. I'm a registered member of the press, and I can say definitively that Honda has issued no such statement on any such "future" S2K. It's just posing on the part of the original poster.
As for some people's ideas that the car shouldn't be touched, or shouldn't be improved, in order to keep the car close to it's original value, that's ridiculous and flies in the face of business logic and reality.
The S2K needs to be updated. While I do very much like mine, it is very clear that the S2KL is starting to get dated in the market. There is more competition coming along, and while most of it is at a higher price point, some of it is not. Indeed, some of it is more practical and is very well thought out, like the new Nissan Z.
And, the car is indeed depreciating. Even a clean example like my late 2000 model (with 16k miles) is only worth mid 20s. A considerable - but very typical - drop from it's full-list (and no markup) 32k (not counting all the Honda accessories I added). Anybody who thinks these things are somehow holding onto some superhuman $$$ value should check around... Honda doesn't pay as much for them used anymore, and many other brands see them as oddities. Try trading in one of these on a high-end premium (and no negotiation) car like an M3 in this current market! If you manage to get 28-30k, it'll only be because the dealer took it out of the price of the new car or otherwise juggled the books.
I want the car to stay in production; I firmly do not believe (and never did) that it would be suddenly cancelled after only a very few years. And, the longer it's in production the more aftermarket parts can and will be created for it. The only way the aftermarket can afford to produce significant parts is if more and more are built and sold... otherwise there is a very limited market and therefore profits - especially and particularly for parts which are expensive to tool up for (aka parts which require investment in castings and/or molds).
The one thing on the horizon that looks bad is that the market for moderately priced 2-seater sports cars is seen to be quickly shrinking (re recent industry analyst reports I follow). The mid-priced new Z may help us, the high-priced market (new Z4, freshened Boxster, upcoming CLK refresh) may or may not help.
A relaunched S2000 and Miata could also go a long way towards rejuvenating the market... or the market may just be realigning again. It's important for the auto companies to stay flexible, shorten product development cycles, be able to bring whatever class of vehicle is hot (or more accurately, will be hot in 2-3 years) to market very quickly and effectively.
As for some people's ideas that the car shouldn't be touched, or shouldn't be improved, in order to keep the car close to it's original value, that's ridiculous and flies in the face of business logic and reality.
The S2K needs to be updated. While I do very much like mine, it is very clear that the S2KL is starting to get dated in the market. There is more competition coming along, and while most of it is at a higher price point, some of it is not. Indeed, some of it is more practical and is very well thought out, like the new Nissan Z.
And, the car is indeed depreciating. Even a clean example like my late 2000 model (with 16k miles) is only worth mid 20s. A considerable - but very typical - drop from it's full-list (and no markup) 32k (not counting all the Honda accessories I added). Anybody who thinks these things are somehow holding onto some superhuman $$$ value should check around... Honda doesn't pay as much for them used anymore, and many other brands see them as oddities. Try trading in one of these on a high-end premium (and no negotiation) car like an M3 in this current market! If you manage to get 28-30k, it'll only be because the dealer took it out of the price of the new car or otherwise juggled the books.
I want the car to stay in production; I firmly do not believe (and never did) that it would be suddenly cancelled after only a very few years. And, the longer it's in production the more aftermarket parts can and will be created for it. The only way the aftermarket can afford to produce significant parts is if more and more are built and sold... otherwise there is a very limited market and therefore profits - especially and particularly for parts which are expensive to tool up for (aka parts which require investment in castings and/or molds).
The one thing on the horizon that looks bad is that the market for moderately priced 2-seater sports cars is seen to be quickly shrinking (re recent industry analyst reports I follow). The mid-priced new Z may help us, the high-priced market (new Z4, freshened Boxster, upcoming CLK refresh) may or may not help.
A relaunched S2000 and Miata could also go a long way towards rejuvenating the market... or the market may just be realigning again. It's important for the auto companies to stay flexible, shorten product development cycles, be able to bring whatever class of vehicle is hot (or more accurately, will be hot in 2-3 years) to market very quickly and effectively.