Why not? Because it was just changed and Honda had plenty of other cars to focus on over the last year. There was no need.

It's not the people are so insistant on saying that there shouldn't be any changes. It's that YOU are so insistant on saying that there SHOULD be changes without much to back it up. In fact, those (like myself) that are wondering why you think changes should be made would most likely be interested in knowing about the new changes (especially if planning on buying an 05), but past that we'd be shrugging our shoulders. Saying that there isn't a need, IS NOT saying they shouldn't make a change. People here are saying there isn't a NEED, especially after a rather large change only a year ago.

So is change a good thing in most cases? While I tend to feel the differences between the pre04 and 04 are noticeable but minimal (in considering the entire spectrum of cars in the same class), there are PLENTY of people on this board that would say that the 04 was already a change for the worse.

I don't mean to harp on you... For that I apologize in advance. Please do not consider this a flame. My reason for posting is not to suggest that Honda should not have made changes for the 05, but to try to better explain why people here are saying that there was no need (even for minor changes).

With that, I do have one question... If you are wondering why anyone would by an 05 if they are identical to the 04 which is going to drop in price, then why are you planning on purchasing an 05 yourself (as you stated in one of your posts)? Why wouldn't you pick up an 04 at the better price yourself?

 

i was saying it was my opinion that there should have been a little change on the 05 because its the exact same thing as the 04..
im not saying there is something wrong with not having any changes, but with new cars being built isnt that what it is all about? to improve on the car, you cant improve anything without a change in it right? there is no car out there that is perfect. I think the 04 is great, as well as any other model year. if the 05 has no change then so be it, it doesnt bother me as i think its already a great car. Im just saying it would benefit, even if its a minute benefit.. as a general perspective on a vehicle, you want a change to be made on it to improve, if Honda didnt want to change the 05 then ok, im not saying it is a NEEDED thing to have the car change, but anything could help it is all im saying..
i am not buying an 04 because by the time i get to the point of purchasing the car, there wont be any new 04's, and i personally dont want a car that the dealership has been using to drive around for test drives because who knows how that car was treated on the test drives, i would prefer a car that wasnt beaten on.

Does that answer everything that apparently everyone was wondering why i was "insisting" on there be a change?
apparently one cant have an opinion anymore without people saying its out of the question to make a change... gimme a break

 

Man I want my s2k... don't really care if there's any changes I'm still getting an '05 regardless more to do with my timeframe.

 

Does what I and others have said answer YOUR question about why we are insisting that changes should not have been made (or rather why we were saying that changes were not necessarily needed)? I guess my point is... Noone was looking for an answer as to why you feel the way you do. You've already told us that by adding your very first post. Instead, you have persisted and it seems you have taken it personally that others have a different opinion than yours.

However back on topic... Your question is why wouldn't a company like Honda not want to make "improvements" to a car such as the S2000 from one model year to the next, however minor. Others have stated several suggestions (often opinions), to which you have responded to each. I would suggest that a different question might be better, such as... "On what frequency and with what magnitude would a company like Honda feel compelled to make changes to a car such as the S2000 in an effort to keep a desired level of sales?"

Many (with opinions) have already answered this question by suggesting that the somewhat significant changes from 2003 to 2004 were substantial enough that no changes were necessarily needed from 2004 to 2005. Additionally, I would suggest that through 5 years of production, Honda must feel that the car was "fine tuned" enough, especially given the changes in 2004. On top of that, Honda answered that it is their opinion that no changes were needed by giving the public the press release.

In short, we all understand your opinion. We simply disagree, probably to a point that you won't change our minds. What's important here, is not changing my mind, but realizing that I see your point, yet I still disagree. I would hope that while we may not change your mind, but that you would see our point.

But let me ask one more question (at the risk of adding fuel to the fire )... If a car company should feel so compelled to make improvements to each car in it's line on an annual basis, why not more frequently? There have been half-model years in the past, and there are instances where changes are made during the model year (I think there was a couple on the 2000 S2000, or maybe it was 2001). I'm not suggesting we discuss this, rather I'm adding to my point (read opinion, as I've already contributed an answer to this question ).

 

i dont mind if others are thinking differently of the subject than me, i would actually prefer different opinions, that way people can learn new things, know what i mean? i was not against anyone elses view of what they thought of the 05, i stated what i thought.. and it was questioned, therefore i had to go and explain what i meant, etc... and it got blown out of proportion, which is a shame..
all i was trying to do was get my point across that a change is a good thing, and im slightly dissapointed that there was none (although i didnt expect much to be changed if any, i was even saying months ago i doubt there will be any change)
I was not at all trying to reject others views on the matter, just trying to support mine because to me, others were just throwing it out the window... which is where it all got blown out of proportion and it seemed to become an arguement. I saw other peoples points the first time they posted it, and accepted them. It was when i felt my opinions were not being accepted(i dont care if it is agreed upon or not im not trying to change other peoples minds on the issue) that i had to constantly post to explain what i meant from the beginning...

and 00civicsi, to answer your question...
i dont think it is a definetly needed thing to change cars every year, i simply think that a car should be "fine tuned" as you have said.. does the 04 need improvments? of course, no car is perfect.. and all can be improved. Take the tranny for example, every MY of the s2k has had the 1-2 or 2-3 grind, i think Honda should be concerning themselves more with this issue, not adding an extra cupholder in the car .. this is where a change could come into play, though this is a big change which would cost a lot of money to do.. its just an example of what im trying to say here..

I never disregarded anybodys' opinion, i was only trying to get my point across because i felt it wasnt being taken for what it was, an opinion. All that was going on was that it was being questioned, like it was not even being taken in as an opinion of what i think could have happened (even though it wasnt important to me if a change was made or not because to me it wasnt a needed thing, although would be nice) i never said the car needed to have a change, at least not intensionally... im sure anyone would like to see something either added or fine tuned on the car, if it would be something that would benefit it...

 

I guess change is always good. There's nothing wrong with a continual evolution towards improving the car. It can be small things like making the car lighter by interchaing parts, or increasing the radio quality, or tweeking the engine to pump out 10 more hp. There's always something that can be done.

But I guess that it doesn't matter to me, I won't be buying another S2000. I'll just keep this one. My next car will be a BMW 5 series. God I love those cars.

 

05 is the last year

 

Honda just invested millions into the changes on the 04, I don't think it' a very wise business decision for them to make anymore changes for MY05, unless if it involves technical issues involved with the previous year. You have to understand they have a budget on certain things, and plan to move ahead with newer cars for the future...

 

i guess the question to ask now is what can we expect from the 06? will there even be a 06? will the s2k legacy end at 05?

 

I dunno how did 04 sales go anyway? strong or weak?